TREETOAD Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Are you guys allowed to see this type of news down there? http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/11/02/cia-prison051102.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 (edited) Are you guys allowed to see this type of news down there? http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/11/02/cia-prison051102.html shh. Don't rattle the cage with thoughts of democracy and rights. That story was front page at http://www.washingtonpost.com today Edited November 2, 2005 by cj001f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 America is its own worst enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I wonder which White House Official(s) spilled the beans on this one. Or perhaps it was from a former Hill staffer. And this story too! http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/11/02/alqaeda-escape051102.html Though, I think the coolest news from "inside the beltway" is the fact that Harry Reid spurred the formation of a Senate committee to report on a Senate committee. And some people say the dems are rudderless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 "The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands." GWB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 I heard that they scoured Squamish campgrounds looking for roving bands of drunken, brawling youth to carry out the interrogations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraysovereign Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 I heard that they scoured Squamish campgrounds looking for roving bands of drunken, brawling youth to carry out the interrogations. That makes sense - we haven't seen them around town in a few years now. We were wondering where they'd gone to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Na. Those teens were out swimming today. I hear the Straits of Juan de Fuca are nice around the Victoria area this time of year. And The Columbia River can be a great swim just downstream from that BC mine that belches mercury blobs into the water. ...Or maybe they were listening to Vancouver talk radio. Oh - that's right; talk radio exists only at the behest of the state in Canada. No Limbaugh's or dissent allowed, I hear. Only state approved pap. Treetoad, please pick your fights a little better, and don't ever lecture Americans about press freedom from the safety of your bland, mundane, monochromatic media ether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 I heard that they scoured Squamish campgrounds looking for roving bands of drunken, brawling youth to carry out the interrogations. That makes sense - we haven't seen them around town in a few years now. We were wondering where they'd gone to... Globalization man...Globalization..... I suspect that the loss of prime habitat due to increasing land prices and condo development - WTF is that thing they're building by the 7-11 BTW- also played a role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TREETOAD Posted November 3, 2005 Author Share Posted November 3, 2005 Na. Those teens were out swimming today. I hear the Straits of Juan de Fuca are nice around the Victoria area this time of year. And The Columbia River can be a great swim just downstream from that BC mine that belches mercury blobs into the water. ...Or maybe they were listening to Vancouver talk radio. Oh - that's right; talk radio exists only at the behest of the state in Canada. No Limbaugh's or dissent allowed, I hear. Only state approved pap. Treetoad, please pick your fights a little better, and don't ever lecture Americans about press freedom from the safety of your bland, mundane, monochromatic media ether. Nice illiteration at least but your content is as one sided as the Gobels style media that you are fed my friend. Your country is becoming what it purported to despise not that long ago. Whether or not the majority of your country wants it. Individual freedoms are a danger to the state therefore must be curtailed. Secret prisons (gulags) are a way of life for you. You are spoon fed "news" as fabricated as the excuses for your invasion of Iraq. When someone speaks the truth there is retribution. It's not long for the reeducation camps. CBC gives a very balanced account, not beholden to anyone, including the government. As for the rot that you ingest for news, spooned up like so much poison by corporations that represent about .001 % of your population, at best, it's info-tainment. 1984 has long gone but you are living it. As for rush limbaugh give me a fucking rest. Your example of talk radio is nothing more than republican fundimentalist ranting. Bland, mundane, monochromatic media and TRUE is better than flashy, fabricated, falsehoods, and seven second soundbites of shit. You are what you eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 They're coming... They're coming... They're coming... The voices have been telling you this, in whispers, in signs, in codes - but now the chorus is growing louder. The time for action has arrived. "TREETOAD - your hour is nigh!" Time to skip town and head for the Ted Kacynski-style compound in the highlands, my friend, time is running out, and unless you complete your manifesto - all hope will be lost. "The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in "advanced" countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in "advanced" countries. 2. The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. Furthermore, if the system survives, the consequences will be inevitable: There is no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy. 3. If the system breaks down the consequences will still be very painful. But the bigger the system grows the more disastrous the results of its breakdown will be, so if it is to break down it had best break down sooner rather than later...." Just be sure to use proper MLA style when you paraphrase extensive sections of the above text in your own work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 You are an irrelevant non-sequitir. Stick to your capitalist theory; at least you sound smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 There's probably room for two in the hut. Rent-free, of course. Psst..TREETOAD. The entity known as "Sexual_Chocolate" is a wholly fictional persona deployed in service of the deception that the American Corporate State's victory has not been total. The fact that it is derived from a character in a popular late-80's comedy designed to amuse and distract the populace while they chuckled away their freedoms should have been your first hint. Trust no one. To the hut! To the hut! before its too late.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Did you know Hitler was a vegetarian? The only way to show that you aren't a Nazi is to eat a nice steak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 There's probably room for two in the hut. Rent-free, of course. We know your collection of Rand wouldn't fit though. C'est domage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Von Mises is more my style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Von Mises is more my style. Every side has their obscure intellectual of choice. Of course I prefer those who believe in studies based on observal fact, not those who refute them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Mein Fuhrer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 "There is simply no other choice than this: either to abstain from interference in the free play of the market, or to delegate the entire management of production and distribution to the government. Either capitalism or socialism: there exists no middle way." I now understand your gift of subtlety and nuanced interpretation.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Von Mises is more my style. Every side has their obscure intellectual of choice. Of course I prefer those who believe in studies based on observal fact, not those who refute them. Just to save you some Googling - Von Mises was an economist whose central thesis was that economic calculation and efficient coordination of supply and demand were both impossible in the absence market prices, and he predicted that efforts to supplant them by central planning would inevitably result in totalitarianism and economic collapse. This was in 1921. Von Hayek was one of his students and converts. This was a testable hypotheses based theory and grounded upon observation that has been confirmed by the outcome of a century's worth of experiments on mankind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Are you guys allowed to see this type of news down there? http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/11/02/cia-prison051102.html I find that interesting becuase I thought the CIA was sending people to countries that were involved in torture so they would not have to do it themselves. This is one rogue administration. I wonder how many innocents there have been? I am surprised that the white house administration cannot hold itself to a higher level of law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Ooh I'd google if I were you, since the above over-simplification misses quite a few juicy tid-bits by our esteemed "economist"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 This was a testable hypotheses based theory and grounded upon observation that has been confirmed by the outcome of a century's worth of experiments on mankind. Research "Austrian school" and his economics epistemology papers please. Like many academics of the 20th century he started off with interesting grounded research and progressed to an intellectual wankfest. On a tangent, where's the schadenfreude for the "Islamist" riots in France? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 The former doesn't negate the latter IMO, any more than Newton's much more intensive work in alchemy and feverish, million-word-plus ramblings on hidden prophecies and god-knows what else in the Bible negate his mechanics, optics, etc. I think that in most of Europe national identity is, despite the rhetoric, more tied up with one's ancestry than it is in the Americas - Canada, the US, Brazil, etc - and that makes coping with mass-immigration even more difficult than it is for the US and others. Given Europe's demographic profile and tends, I don't see the difficulties that they're having with this changing any time soon. I do think that labor-market liberalization within Europe would probably help lower the number of underemployed Muslim youths in Europe, but I suppose that won't surprise anyone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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