Crampon Posted August 13, 2005 Posted August 13, 2005 I wanted to find other good UTM's, or GPS Coordinates on Mt Rainier....Like significant places,...eg...Summit, turn offs...etc..... I already have the UTM's for Muir, PC, And Paradise from the NPS link..... Thank you Quote
tomtom Posted August 14, 2005 Posted August 14, 2005 They're on your map. The route itself is constantly changing based on conditions. Quote
robk Posted August 15, 2005 Posted August 15, 2005 Not sure of your nav expertise (no disrespect is intended), but think of this as a good oppt'y to practice some map skills. Using your map, plot your own GPS coord (UTM, lat/long, etc. - pick your pref) of known, fixed locations (e.g., top of DC). Once you have those points - check them against a reliable source. You'll get your coords and get some practice. The coords can help but they won't do much to help w/routefinding. Quote
OlegV Posted August 15, 2005 Posted August 15, 2005 Buy CD "National Parks" - includes Rainier NP. Buy GPS - PC cable Download waypoint Total time - 3 minutes. Quote
AlpineK Posted August 16, 2005 Posted August 16, 2005 I wanted to find other good UTM's, or GPS Coordinates on Mt Rainier....Like significant places,...eg...Summit, turn offs...etc..... I already have the UTM's for Muir, PC, And Paradise from the NPS link..... Thank you Good god; what's up with modern climbers. All you need is a map and a compass. You could take a GPS too; that would make things easier. LEARN HOW TO NAVIGATE BEFORE YOU GO TO MUIR Maybe you need to take your mom along. She could hold your hand as you descend from Muir. Quote
TrogdortheBurninator Posted August 16, 2005 Posted August 16, 2005 national geographic also has map exchange - here is link for 44 routes on rainier. http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/topo/file.cfm?fileid=337 Quote
knelson Posted August 16, 2005 Posted August 16, 2005 Good god; what's up with modern climbers. All you need is a map and a compass. ...[snip] ...and an altimeter if you want to be damn sure. But you're right - sighting fall lines with your compass and comparing it to your topo will get you pretty damn close. GPSs are a nice backup on a glacier in a whiteout or when a cloudcap engulfs you. But other than that, they're a freakin' waste of time. How many times you folks out there heard this... "Oh wait... I only have 2 satellites. Oh, wait. There's three. Oh... just lost that one. Hmmm... do you really think we're at 3,050 ft? (When you're actually at 5210 ft.) Oh... that third satellite just came ba... nevermind. Hmmm. What did your altimeter say again?..." Yup... instills such confidence in new fangled gadgetry. Ok... done with my rant. -kurt Quote
Careless_Ev Posted August 16, 2005 Posted August 16, 2005 I just knit a wool sweater on my way up if the weather changes. Quote
knelson Posted August 16, 2005 Posted August 16, 2005 I just knit a wool sweater on my way up if the weather changes. Good for you. At least you came prepared with the rudimentary items and skills you need to survive. Quote
AlpineK Posted August 16, 2005 Posted August 16, 2005 That's just it skills + smarts will get you out of most perdicaments. If you're too lazy to gain some practical experience before you go out on your big trip then you deserve most of whatever bad happens to you. Quote
Crampon Posted August 16, 2005 Author Posted August 16, 2005 I was asking for UTM's , not various life lessons on Compass use thank you..... Now if you dont know where to get the UTM's then thank you. Quote
fenderfour Posted August 16, 2005 Posted August 16, 2005 Well, you could just pull them off the map. REI sells a scale to get higher resolution than provided by the area topos. But that's using a map. I think we might want to avoid that. Quote
climbher Posted August 16, 2005 Posted August 16, 2005 The newer USGS maps have UTM lines on the map, the numbers are along the sides. Quote
AlpineK Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Well, you could just pull them off the map. REI sells a scale to get higher resolution than provided by the area topos. But that's using a map. I think we might want to avoid that. Exactly, if you knew how to use a map you wouldn't have to ask. Quote
Crampon Posted August 18, 2005 Author Posted August 18, 2005 I dont know how to use a map..........Thats right, Thats been my downfall my whole life. Quote
AlpineK Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Well you better learn if ya wanna be a ranger. Quote
Fairweather Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Basic map & compass skills should come before you ever look at a GPS. Nevertheless, if you insist on taking shortcuts I suggest leaving the unit turned on from the parking lot and leaving a data track for you to follow back in the event you get fogged in. At the very least, mark every major change in direction with an on-site waypoint. Generally, I DO trust the little gadgets above treeline. This is where they seem most reliable. Bring extra batteries. If you're following your GPS on a whited-out descent you must trust your device and overcome your innate desire to follow your (likely poor) instincts. This isn't as easy as it sounds. Follow the track/pointer. Kinda like flying through a storm instruments only, I suppose. Take an orienteering course before you become frozen meat somewhere on/in Paradise Glacier. Quote
Couloir Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Take an orienteering course before you become frozen meat somewhere on/in Paradise Glacier. Hell yes! I'm pretty sure even REI offers a free map and compass course. Or maybe it's $15 or something. A map and compass do not need batteries. Take the course. Quote
Crampon Posted August 18, 2005 Author Posted August 18, 2005 Im sorta poor money wise, and Id like to perhaps learn through some people here if they have time......Hint? I do admit, I know I need to learn this before I become another SAR example...... So coming from a guy with no cash....... .......Can anyone here help me learn it.....? Please? Quote
fenderfour Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Buy Freedom Of the Hills and a USGS Topo map of an area nearby. Take compass, book, and map to said location and figure it out. It isn't hard, really. Hint - pick an area with a lot of topographic features. I like the Snoqualmie Pass map. Quote
Fairweather Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Even easier, buy a USGS 7.5 of the area in which you live. Quote
Crampon Posted August 18, 2005 Author Posted August 18, 2005 NO.........! I want someone to teach me......A six pack, and some company......No other options... If ya dont help me learn it, then........... Quote
spicoli11 Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Hell yes! I'm pretty sure even REI offers a free map and compass course. Or maybe it's $15 or something. A map and compass do not need batteries. Take the course. Did you not see this crampon??.........you can't be that broke Quote
smithisheaven Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 No $ but have a GPS unit...hmmm. Maybe priorities are a little skewed to the left, wait or is that to the right?. Quote
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