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The new light biners can shave pounds off the

hardware a leader carries vs standard biners (40g).

 

Since I'm looking at getting a new trad set, i might

as well start right. I'm gonna buy biners to clip

those cams and nuts, as well maybe as new biners to

put on runners and clip the rope...

So here's an attempt to collect a mini review of

those from the community before I plunge.

 

Many light biners are smaller than standard biners

and include exotic technology. For those who've used

these biners I have qustions...

 

Question:

- Any usage difficulty?

say with single, double ropes, slings, cams, nuts, etc?

- Any safety issue?

premature wear of ropes or gear from smaller biner

contact width or narrower size, etc. Poor gate design

opens, or causes frequent biner crossloads...

- Any place where the biners can be bought for cheaper

than I list, even in bulk if needed?

 

 

Here's a list of light biners I've found sold around,

with specs, and some of the pricing I've seen. Specs

might be wrong - so you can correct. If you do or add

usefull specs, then please copy the table in your post

and update it.

Last edit: June 9, 2005
Gram Spec   Brand, name, Best price
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28g S NO WI - CAMP nano-wires $6.10/10
30g R NO WI - Trango superfly wire $6.75/10
32g S KL WI - DMM Shield $9.85/6
33g S NO WI - DMM Spectre $9.50/10
33g S NO WI - DMM Spectre colors $9.95/10
33g S KL WI - WildCountry helium $10.10/10
36g R NO WI - DMM prowire anodized $8.50/10
35g R NO WI - Trango lightweigth wire gate $6.50/10
36g S NO WI - BD neutrino $7.50/10
37g R NO wI - OP Doval (oval biner) $7.35 or $6.62/6
37g R NO RE - Kong Helium $10ish
...
49g R KL RE - Petzl Spirit $9ish (for reference)

S: Small size biner

R: Regular size biner

NO: Notch gate (old style, catches on gear)

KL: Keylock gate

WI: Wire gate

SO: Solid gate

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I love the Superflys. I have some of the Superfly Lockers also. They weigh 41g.

I would get a set of burly biners for your cragging rack, maybe for the pieces you use alot.

I try to conserve the use of my lightweight ones for when the weight really counts.

On the flip side, I woulnd't be caught with a heavy biner on an alpine climb. light biners save a lot of weight, as do the dyneema slings.

Posted

i use dmm prowires and kong heliums. they both rock ... but not for aid. i find that for the most part i really don't like ovals except for racking. i would also give a thumbs down to the neutrino - they just don't feel right. find something that you like.

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Neutrinos aren't very good biners!

 

 

Omega Pacific Dovals are bigger, same weight, less money, more usefull shape.

 

Trango Lightweight Wiregates are cheaper, larger, and equal weight.

 

Trango superflies are bigger, 6 grams less, and equal $$

 

CAMP nano-wires are the same size, and 6 grams less, and less $$

 

WC heliums are bigger, keylocking, 3 grams less, but more $$

 

DMM Shield is bigger, keylocking, 4 grams less, but more $$

 

DMM Spectre is bigger, fancy colors, 3 grams less, but more $$$

 

 

Neutrino's aren't especially good compared to the above models, and English made carabiners are fancy, but costly. Considering weight, price, and size, there is always a better biner than a neutrino, for any use. Plus BD gear is so popular, buck the trend.

 

 

P.S. Scot'teryx was recently selling superfly wiregates for under $6. give him a PM or email. http://www.questalb.com/

Posted

Hilarious how these biner threads get all preachy and religious. Neutrinos are small but if you can get them for cheap they are not the end of the world. They work fine. They look funny as quickdraws though. Like little toys.

Posted

I use WC Heliums and DMM Spectres and haven't looked back - Best biners out there hands down - You do need a small loan to outfit yourself however... I just swore off new clothing and $5 coffee for a while...

Posted

I have the predecessors to the DMM Shield, the Prowire. I love these biners, but the nose is too wide for old bolt hangers or some chains. The Shield being 9 grams lighter than the Prowire, and with a thinner nose, I'll go for the Shield for my next lightweight biners. The WC Helium doesn't seem bad either; comparing strength and gate opening between the two might help decide.

 

I wish Petzl made a lightweight keylock wiregate.

 

By the way, your list notes the DMM Spectre as a keylock, but it is not. The Shield is.

 

drC

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so what are the specific dislikes people have of the neutrinos?

i have never had a problem with mine, wheter it be ice or rock climbing.

i know some of the people here dont like black diamond because they listen to others opinions more then actually going out and using their gear.

Posted
so what are the specific dislikes people have of the neutrinos?

 

I don't like them compared to what else is out there. Neutrinos themselves are fine, but when you can buy better carabiners for less $$, or lighter/bigger carabiners for equal $$, Neutrinos don't look so hot.

Posted

Dovals are the devil biner. Well not really - they a great "utility" biner at anchors and such BUT under no circumstances should they be utilized in a place that requires clipping them while climbing. Because of their uniform shape it hard to tell which is the OPEN side. Not fun when you're locked off in a powerful lieback sketching to clip in... Yikes

Posted
Because of their uniform shape it hard to tell which is the OPEN side.

that's why i hate climbing with ovals. what a waste of precious climbing time when you have to flip the biner around. tongue.gif

the neutrinos feel like keychain biners. i believe their opening is smaller than a "normal" biner as well. and maybe it's just me but it's weird to have different sized biners on your rack (aside from lockers).

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I use neutrinos for the gear side of a sling, rather than for clipping the rope. I think that their small size is an asset. They take up less room in your pack.

 

Also, Neutrinos are sometimes the only carabiner whos nose is small enough to fit through some chains.

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Dovals - Crappy gate. The spring tension declines much faster than with other wiregates. I've got more than a few where the gate will stay in the fully open position. Plan on retiring them every few years.

 

Superfly - Very light- so light that they tend to rotate into a minor axis configuration when used as rope-end biners.

 

Neutrino - Small but robust.

Posted

The Mammut equivalents to the Trango Lightweights, for $5.25 at Pro Mountain Sports and come in at 36 gm. I've got a whole bunch and love em, a bit of a narrow rope bearing radius but a really nice clip, while lightweight, cheap, and a nice size for racking. Maybe not full size, but not the mini's like neutrinos.

Posted

Awesome!

 

Thanks to Scott'Teryx, I recieved 30 superfly

biners today at a great price. Buy bulk!!! smile.gif

 

My 22" trad draws lost 32% of their weight

(dyneema with petzl spirit and simond biners).

 

I dumped 3 draws on the kitchen balance:

260gr vs 385gr... that's ONE pound per 6

draws!

 

The gate feels good and solid. It needs a little

more pressure than a Petzl spirit. The rope and sling

supports are nice and wide, the biner making a T shape.

There is a groove for the rope at the base of the I

beam.

 

The biner is similar in shape to the mammut

wiregate, but a different shine to it and 5gr

less. Same opening size. It is 1/2 a cm shorter

than a petzl spirit, but the gate opens wider

because it is wire-thin instead of a solid gate.

 

Note: my petzl spirits are 10 years old models.

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Posted

I have a bunch of neutrinos which I use to rack cams. I like them for this application but do not feel they are a good all around biner.

 

I have a handful of Trango SuperFly biners. They are awesome all around biners and will be my biner of choice in the future.

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