bunglehead Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 Hey Otter, you type really well for an Otter! Quote
thelawgoddess Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 ps - as for the ring, buddy should get a clue. Quote
Dechristo Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 i will help your friend out with some sexula healing.  you mean like sex ooolaalaa  Sexula.  That's therapeutic sex involving spatulas. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 i'm surprised he has the balls to ask for it back. he should just away w/his tail between his legs. Â not. irrespective of what went bad, the ring goes back to the guy. Quote
minx Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 i'm surprised he has the balls to ask for it back. he should just away w/his tail between his legs. Â not. irrespective of what went bad, the ring goes back to the guy. Â why? it was a gift. further she's not the one who blew it. if she was the one who had posted the add and he wanted to break it off then she should give it back but he's the one who effed up. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 i'm surprised he has the balls to ask for it back. he should just away w/his tail between his legs. Â not. irrespective of what went bad, the ring goes back to the guy. Â why? it was a gift. further she's not the one who blew it. if she was the one who had posted the add and he wanted to break it off then she should give it back but he's the one who effed up. Â I'm assuming it cost $$$ (as in the 2-month salary rule). The "gift" is a symbol for the committment to marry. Marriage off - gift null and void. Quote
Squid Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 i'm surprised he has the balls to ask for it back. he should just away w/his tail between his legs. Â not. irrespective of what went bad, the ring goes back to the guy. Â Bullshit. Irrespective of what went bad, the guy gave a gift. It's not conditional. Quote
Dechristo Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 The custom of wearing a ring is that of wearing someone else's ring. It signifies a bond to the owner... historically, it is not a gift. Â If one wishes to break the bond to the owner, be it man, club, pope, or king, they return the symbol of the bond to the owner. Â Unless, you want to break it off in his ass... then, you sell the ring and hire a brute squad. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 The custom of wearing a ring is that of wearing someone else's ring. It signifies a bond to the owner... historically, it is not a gift. Â Exactly. Quote
selkirk Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 It's a gift and a symbol of HIS commitment to marry her, and typically that necessitates fidelity. He fucked up. Unless theres more the story she held up her end of the bargain and he didn't. Without some pressing reason she should do as she pleases with it. Â I'm sorry but he deserves whats happening to him. She screws up, it goes back, the relationship is mutually agreed to be over, it goes back. He's a bastard, she keeps it or does as she pleases. Quote
minx Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 my understanding is that the custom of the engagement ring was basically as security for the commitment to wed. should the engagement be broken there would be a price for it. thus such things would not be entered into nor broken w/o much consideration. admittedly, in today's society this custom is unnecessarily one sided. Â regardless, she should take the cad's gift and do something good with it. i recommend using his credit card to buy a matching stone and get a nice pair of ear rings out of the deal. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 It's a gift and a symbol of HIS commitment to marry her, and typically that necessitates fidelity. He fucked up. Unless theres more the story she held up her end of the bargain and he didn't. Without some pressing reason she should do as she pleases with it. I'm sorry but he deserves whats happening to him. She screws up, it goes back, the relationship is mutually agreed to be over, it goes back. He's a bastard, she keeps it or does as she pleases.  Feel the same way if it is a family heirloom (your dead mother's/grandmother's wedding ring)? Quote
badvoodoo Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 (edited) If it cost the guy so much that it's a serious financial loss to not get it back, it's his own damn fault for spending so much money on a single damn piece of jewlery. If it's an heirloom, that's a different story. Edited April 28, 2005 by badvoodoo Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 If it cost the guy so much that it's a serious financial loss to not get it back, it's his own damn fault for spending so much money on a single damn piece of jewlery. Â You guys crack me up. Quote
minx Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 If it cost the guy so much that it's a serious financial loss to not get it back, it's his own damn fault for spending so much money on a single damn piece of jewlery. Â yup! i certainly would've killed my better half if he'd gone into debt for my token of his affection. Â i would expect that any family heirloom would not be given until the wedding. it would likely be made clear that it would need to be returned in the event of failure. however, i've heard of several cases when that didn't happen. buyer beware i guess. Quote
Dechristo Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 my understanding is that the custom of the engagement ring was basically as security for the commitment to wed. should the engagement be broken there would be a price for it. thus such things would not be entered into nor broken w/o much consideration. admittedly, in today's society this custom is unnecessarily one sided. Â A simple equitable solution: he keeps her dowry. Quote
olyclimber Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 Have we got a link and/or pictures of the fiancee yet? Quote
archenemy Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 Definition of Engagement ring: By modern convention, the ring is usually presented as a betrothal gift by a man to his prospective bride while or directly after she accepts his marriage proposal. It represents a formal agreement to chastity and a future marriage. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 Read and learn guys. Buy your fiancee a cheap ring. It will go over real well, I'm sure, and you will risk little if you f**k up. Quote
Winter Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 Screw that. Pretend to propose on an impulse and then buy the ring later after you see how it goes. Plus then she can help pick it out. Quote
selkirk Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 Read and learn guys. Don't be an a-hole. It will go over real well. Quote
Squid Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 Propose while drunk and subsequently deny everything. Â Post tragic story online to seduce the next one. Quote
Dechristo Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 Screw that. Pretend to propose on an impulse and then buy the ring later after you see how it goes. Â Promise you'll give her more than one ring later... Â around the collar, around the tub, around the toilet. Â OWWWW! My wife just slapped me upside the head and gave me a ringin' in my ears. Â Â Â Quote
jmace Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 Well that, or come up with an even more deviant and cruel punishment! Â YUP, Fuck his friends, Â all this ring bulllshit, who the fuck gets married any ways?? get married when yuor old and have money and want some symbolic shit otherwise WTF. Â By the way the dudes a loser, if you dont like fuckin your girl then move on theres tons of hot action out there!! Quote
rbw1966 Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 Engagement ring is a gift in lieu of marriage. Marriage off, ring is returned. There is actual case law substantiating this. Â However, given the information at hand, methinks he should cut his losses and leave this one alone. There is no honor in fighthing for this one. Quote
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