Jim Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Seems with a little digging the proof is there: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/09/08/bush_fell_short_on_duty_at_guard/ In February, when the White House made public hundreds of pages of President Bush's military records, White House officials repeatedly insisted that the records prove that Bush fulfilled his military commitment in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War. But Bush fell well short of meeting his military obligation, a Globe reexamination of the records shows: Twice during his Guard service -- first when he joined in May 1968, and again before he transferred out of his unit in mid-1973 to attend Harvard Business School -- Bush signed documents pledging to meet training commitments or face a punitive call-up to active duty. He didn't meet the commitments, or face the punishment, the records show. The 1973 document has been overlooked in news media accounts. The 1968 document has received scant notice. Seems he didn't meet the commitments he signed up for, did not get called up for active duty, and faced no punishment. Born with a silver spoon up his nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glacier Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 I wonder if there is still time for him to be called up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 The article doesn't reveal why he was not disciplined nor, why he did not transfer to a local unit once in Massachusetts. I would want to have these facts (which I am sure are in his files) before I passed judgement. But that's just me; I know Jim likes to castigate on hearsay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted September 8, 2004 Author Share Posted September 8, 2004 Oh yea. I'm sure there is a "logical" reason why he got special treatment for going AWOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted September 8, 2004 Author Share Posted September 8, 2004 And Bush's "files" include no special dispensation, no early discharge papers, and the Whitehouse spokesman can do no better that say he was honorably discharged. The puffy guy in the flight suit bailed on his contract with the armed forces - went AWOL. Why is it that this administration is so full of chicken hawks - those that went AWOL or got 5 deferments (Cheney). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal_Con Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 All of which shows why he is not particularly concerned about US deaths and injuries in Iraq. It is apparent to anyone with the wits of a turnip that "his kind of people" are in no danger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-rock Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 I wonder what Ben Barnes will say tonight on 60 minutes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Oh yea. I'm sure there is a "logical" reason why he got special treatment for going AWOL. But, Jim, until we KNOW the "official" reason in the file, passing judgement is not rational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted September 8, 2004 Author Share Posted September 8, 2004 Hey Greg - Bush handed over his complete files. There is no record of any offical approval of his going AWOL. The Bush camp says this is all the files. Now if there was an offical ok, don't you think Carl Rove would be able to find it? Gimme a break. It's obvious he got special treatment and bailed on his commitment. C'mon Greg - even you have to admit this is pretty lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 I withhold judgement until I have all the facts. You don't have the whole story, regardless of what you say. Enough of this back and forth, just fuck off and die. Thank you. Your boy is on the ropes, anyway, from what I hear. hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 GW..."dady I don't want to fly those stupid planes this weekend. My friend's having a party." GSenior...."But son you made a promise when I got you that slack job in the reserve." GW...." " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 http://www.moveonpac.org/lte/lte.html?zip=98103<e_campaign_id=10 Check this out Watch 60 Minutes tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted September 8, 2004 Author Share Posted September 8, 2004 A little light on the cockroaches and they scurry away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGowans Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Most of you know I'm about as liberal as they come, but honestly, what has actions more than 30 years ago got to do with this election? - Answer: bugger all. All this shite where these dickhead candidates pretend to be something they're not to reach out to a miniscule amount of undecided voters is total piss. I wish each of them was principled and unwavering in what they stand for and let voters decide where their allegiance lies in spite of conflicting beliefs on certain issues. These two arses try to be something to everyone and in the end, they're nothing to no-one. There needs to be a mass overhaul of the american election system. That's our tax money their slinging around in stupid ads and it's a fucking waste. Gary Coleman for president! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Gowans, Vietnam is still strikes a nerve with anyone older than about 50. Poor people faught and died while the rich kids stayed home. There is still lots or resentment. 58,000 Americans and who knows how many locals died for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 (edited) This is the link I ment to post http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/02/allison_moveon/index.html Another great link. http://awolbush.com/ Edited September 9, 2004 by Dave_Schuldt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 The article doesn't reveal why he was not disciplined nor, why he did not transfer to a local unit once in Massachusetts. I would want to have these facts (which I am sure are in his files) before I passed judgement. But that's just me; I know Jim likes to castigate on hearsay. Why would there be any "facts" if they simply did not discipline him, or transfer him. Would a phone call from Daddy count as a "fact" and go into his files? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 The article doesn't reveal why he was not disciplined nor, why he did not transfer to a local unit once in Massachusetts. I would want to have these facts (which I am sure are in his files) before I passed judgement. But that's just me; I know Jim likes to castigate on hearsay. Why would there be any "facts" if they simply did not discipline him, or transfer him. Would a phone call from Daddy count as a "fact" and go into his files? I heard an interview last night with Simon York (?) who has studied Bush's Guard service in-depth. Apparently, by its nature and at that time, the Guard was very flexible in allowing individuals to defer their commitments. Given the time (1972/1973), the War was winding down and a lot of pilots were returning to the US. This created a glut of pilots and preference was given to active duty pilots for training hops, etc. In Oct. of 1973, Bush got an early out from the Guard to attend business school. Take it for what it's worth. Greg_W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 Ah, so now we're reverting to the "everyone else was doing it" excuse. I agree with the Scotsman that wasting so much time on this who is the better commander crap and not talking about more important issues is lame. On the other hand the Bushie camp came out swingging with the slimy swift boat issue because Rove felt that he had to attack Kerry's war status. So it's very hypocritical for Bush, who had Daddy's connections give him a free pass into and out of the Guard, while less connected folks, working class kids I went to high school with, got shipped off. Some did not make it back. When such a chickenhawk makes a big deal of the other guys record he deserves all the scrutiny he gets. He signed on and didn't fulfill his commitment, was grounded for his absence, but - surprise! - never disciplined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Just passing on information, Jim; take it or leave it, don't fucking annoy me about it. You're a fucking dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 Your spinning Greg. If you had an argument you would not be so annoyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glacier Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Maybe Bush assumed that landing on a carrier under a "mission accomplished' sign met his Nat. Guard commitments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Your spinning Greg. If you had an argument you would not be so annoyed. No, that's not true. You simply annoy me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Truth be told, I don't think Bush's avoidance of the draft is that big a deal in and of itself, I'd have likely taken (or had daddy's connections make) the same opportunity if I were draft fodder at that time. It's the bristly chickenhawk posture and the willingness to smear Kerry for making a different choice that galls me. Own up to your shit and STFU, but the holier-than-thou sanctimonious stance Bush strikes just begs for a smackdown. I fully acknowledge that Kerry's war hero histrionics beg for the same thing, but the use of lies and slander to achieve it is not honorable. I know Honesty has been a hot topic around here lately, but essentially I feel that Bush has no honor, he's never taken responsibility for the shit he's done throughout his whole life, and the buck always stops at someone else's desk. From his guard service, recreational drug use, yale on a c average, running the companies he was given into the ground, insider trading (records now sealed by presidential order), DUI, taking credit for a Texas education bill that only passed because the legislature overrode his veto, to the damned undeclared war we're in that he started for reasons he changes more often than his underwear, the man just doesn't take responsibility for his actions. Carp all you want about Kerry, I don't trust Bush farther than I can dropkick a bowling ball, and his time is up. Sure, it's possible that Kerry would also be a fuck up as President, but unlike Bush, he hasn't proven that yet. In this instance, I'll gladly take "maybe" over "definitely." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Well, we have a 20 year career as a bench-rider in Congress with which to judge Kerry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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