scott_harpell Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 Now I have respect for those like MattP who can either try and find something nice to say about someone after their passing or not say anything at all, but you who need to find the worst in a man after his passing have no respect and little class. There is not a man alive whose grave I would piss on; whether he be Michael Moore or Fidel Castro. If I couldn't find something good to say as a eulogy, I would shut the fuck up. I suggest you do the same. Quote
Dru Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 just because someone dies does not suddenly mean they are worthy of respect. i wouldn't say anything about a dead guy i wouldn't say when he was still alive. Quote
ashw_justin Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 Hitler? Dahmer? McVeigh? Harris and Klebold? Some do deserve for their names to be smeared in shit for the rest of eternity... but Ronald Reagan is not one of them. Neither are Michael Moore or Fidel Castro... and I don't think they would like you talking about them as if they were already dead! Â However I think it is still fair to continue political discussion (or criticism), as long it is genuine, even following the death of a political icon. That is just part of the life (and death) that a politician choses for him/herself. It's part of their importance and significance. Quote
cracked Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 It's just the cc.com factor kicking in. Not worth getting worked up about. Â I would happily piss on the grave of, say, bin Laden, or Saddam. Quote
ashw_justin Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 It's just the cc.com factor kicking in. Not worth getting worked up about. I would happily piss on the grave of, say, bin Laden, or Saddam.  Hey they're not dead either! But don't let that stop you from pissing on them... Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 7, 2004 Author Posted June 7, 2004 Just because you would be an ass to his face, doesn't give you the right to piss on his grave. Â I find Canadians and Liberals quite funny. They blather on and on about how we just need to respect each other and accept that we are all different and OK, but in reality, we see what is going on with the attempted eulogy here... Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 7, 2004 Author Posted June 7, 2004 However I think it is still fair to continue political discussion (or criticism), as long it is genuine, even following the death of a political icon. Â Mabe you can wait until he is cold first? Quote
Dru Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 Respect is something which should be earned and not mandatory. Reagan, through his actions, lost my respect. Dying does not restore that respect. Anyone can die. Even small children and the elderly manage it with ease. Â When you praise Reagan you are "pissing on the graves" (your own words) of his victims. Think of that. Quote
ashw_justin Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 Just because you would be an ass to his face, doesn't give you the right to piss on his grave. Â I find Canadians and Liberals quite funny. They blather on and on about how we just need to respect each other and accept that we are all different and OK, but in reality, we see what is going on with the attempted eulogy here... Â Part of respecting and accepting each other is being honest, being able to debate and to voice criticism. Reagan deserves better than having us all blow perfume up his... Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 7, 2004 Author Posted June 7, 2004 Dru... I don't even like him as a person or as a president. I have a respect for the office he held and the oath he swore both as a soldier and as a president. I take great pride in my country and to me, pissing on a recently dead president is equal with pissing on the office, the flag and the country. Sure respect isn't the right word... perhaps eulogize or some other word, but you know what I mean. You don't have to play that callous bullshit quoting something from dictionary.com and starting a semantic rant about how you don't "respect" someone because respect means "..... Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 7, 2004 Author Posted June 7, 2004 Just because you would be an ass to his face, doesn't give you the right to piss on his grave. Â I find Canadians and Liberals quite funny. They blather on and on about how we just need to respect each other and accept that we are all different and OK, but in reality, we see what is going on with the attempted eulogy here... Â Part of respecting and accepting each other is being honest, being able to debate and to voice criticism. Reagan deserves better than having us all blow perfume up his... Â No-one is doing that here... They are just giving their eulogy. There is a time and place for voicing your criticisms. I can tell you for a fact that before a man is even buried is not the time. Quote
Dru Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 nothing to do with what respect means. he funded death squads in central and south america; he armed and supported saddam hussein and knuckled under to iranian ayatollahs by paying a ransom of arms for hostages. he presided over that and more. Â on the scale of bad to worse he was nowhere as bad as a stalin or a pol pot; but worse than, say, an average corrupt politician like the not-dead-yet jean chretien, and far, far worse than the dalai lama, nelson mandela etc. Â you are caught up in some semi-religious, semi-patriotic notions of how dying ennobles the dead and how they are being judged by higher powers now. the custom of speaking only good things of the dead is one i do not agree with or follow. it is intended mainly to comfort the survivors. none of whom are surfing cascadeclimbers.com seeing what we think. so this is all spray and trolling as usual. in which case stating what i think serves to keep you outraged and you feign outrage in turn to get me to say what i think. Quote
JoshK Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 Just because you would be an ass to his face, doesn't give you the right to piss on his grave. Â I find Canadians and Liberals quite funny. They blather on and on about how we just need to respect each other and accept that we are all different and OK, but in reality, we see what is going on with the attempted eulogy here... Â This is about as dumb as me trying to put every single republican into one group. I'm also not sure how you group canadians and liberals into one group. Both are distinct and vary within those groups. Quote
Fairweather Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 Just because you would be an ass to his face, doesn't give you the right to piss on his grave. Â I find Canadians and Liberals quite funny. They blather on and on about how we just need to respect each other and accept that we are all different and OK, but in reality, we see what is going on with the attempted eulogy here... Â This is about as dumb as me trying to put every single republican into one group. I'm also not sure how you group canadians and liberals into one group. Both are distinct and vary within those groups. Â Â Ummm.... actually, Josh, you do this on a very regular basis, IMHO. Â I'll give you credit for not joining the "let's piss on Reagan" bandwagon with Dru, Bug, others who have revealed themselves to be the intolerant, hate-filled bastards that I once only suspected them to be. Quote
layton Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 Respect is something which should be earned and not mandatory. Reagan, through his actions, lost my respect. Dying does not restore that respect. Anyone can die. Even small children and the elderly manage it with ease. When you praise Reagan you are "pissing on the graves" (your own words) of his victims. Think of that.  I cannot die Quote
chirp Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 just because someone dies does not suddenly mean they are worthy of respect. i wouldn't say anything about a dead guy i wouldn't say when he was still alive. Quote
Fat_Teddy Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 Respect is something which should be earned and not mandatory. Reagan, through his actions, lost my respect. Dying does not restore that respect. Anyone can die. Even small children and the elderly manage it with ease. When you praise Reagan you are "pissing on the graves" (your own words) of his victims. Think of that.  It's not a lack of respect for Reagan you are showing, he's dead and doesn't care.  You're showing you don't give a shit about your fellow climbers, some of whom DO feel a loss at his passing. Some of whome DO respect him. What you're doing is akin to pissing on the grave of someone's mother. She won't care, she's dead, but it's insulting as hell to the survivors.  You just have no class. Quote
Dru Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 dear fat_teddy  please give proof you climb. if you cared for reagan, you are a fool. reagan was a bad man. Quote
icegirl Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 I believe that he has invited people to climb/boulder with him on more than one occasion. Maybe we should invite him to summer rope up. Or do you just want a picture of him Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 7, 2004 Author Posted June 7, 2004 dear fat_teddy please give proof you climb. if you cared for reagan, you are a fool. reagan was a bad man.  We can be like Christ by caring for those that don't deserve it. Even an evil man cares for those that care for him. What makes a man great is caring for those that persecute him. Quote
iain Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 by watching the 700 club I have deduced that christ was a birky-wearing w00k who didn't have a CWP and subsequently got his ass kicked. I want nothing to do with him Quote
scott_harpell Posted June 7, 2004 Author Posted June 7, 2004 by watching the 700 club I have deduced that christ was a birky-wearing w00k who didn't have a CWP and subsequently got his ass kicked. I want nothing to do with him  You are right in your assertion. Actually Jesus wouldn't wear Birks... they are name brand. There does seem to be a Tyler Durdenesque quality about Jesus doesn't there? Quote
Dru Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 christ was a weirdo that's for sure. the love one another thing is fine but the idea that if the tree does not give fruit you should cut it down seems somewhat over-utilitarian? fortunately christ is not the be all and end all of philosophers. Quote
catbirdseat Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 Every time I see a homeless mentally insane person on the street, I think of Reagan and how he closed so many of the institutes that provided care for these people. It is a fact. Quote
Dru Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 I believe that he has invited people to climb/boulder with him on more than one occasion. Maybe we should invite him to summer rope up. Or do you just want a picture of him  its kind of stupid to lecture people on how they should be acting on a climbers board without ever posting any tr's or useful beta either. invitations to come climbing at some godforsaken eastern crag are unlikely to be relevant anyways and hence can be offered without fear someone will take them up....  have you two ever actually met in person by the way? Quote
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