Jim Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 Rats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 No to me it sounds like someone likes doing math, hell with the metric system being base 10 conversions in the metric system are simple and you barely have to have any math skills, just need to know how to move a decimal point. That was my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 Its called class. If you don't have something good to say about a person as a eulogy, don't say anything at all. As another poster stated, you are not saying things for the deceased, but rather for those who are greiving him. Scott- Republicans have been writing the eulogy for Ronnie for years. They couldn't even wait 10 years to name an airport after him. Since the were deifying him before his death, I see little reason to abide by traditional restraints after his death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 I have no problem letting the truth come out... I just wish you would wait until he is at least cold if not buried. Like I said, he is not someone I admire, but I will respect and even assist those with grieving necessitites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 Its called class. If you don't have something good to say about a person as a eulogy, don't say anything at all. As another poster stated, you are not saying things for the deceased, but rather for those who are greiving him. Scott- Republicans have been writing the eulogy for Ronnie for years. They couldn't even wait 10 years to name an airport after him. Since the were deifying him before his death, I see little reason to abide by traditional restraints after his death. Â I no more care for their actions then I do for yours. There is no reason we can't strive to be a little bit better than politicians now is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_Yngve Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004  about time too  Am I the only one agreeing with Dru that it's about time that Reagan died? He's been more or less a vegetable because of the Alzheimers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 I no more care for their actions then I do for yours. There is no reason we can't strive to be a little bit better than politicians now is there? The Irony is palpable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Â I couldn't believe it when I heard over and over again yesterday how he had defeated the USSR and ended the cold war. It is true that he was in office when they finally collapsed.... Â Actually, Matt, Bush Sr. was in office when the USSR imploded. But then you never have been much for research and/or facts when it comes to facing your political biases as demonstrated here, once again. Â Ronald Reagan: Â Right about communism. Â Right about the 70% top marginal tax rate being an obstacle to economic growth. Â Right about central america. Â Right about the middle east. Â Wrong about forest policy and raw log exports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Right about central america. Â including the paramilitary death squads he backed and funded? Â Right about the middle east. Â including arming first the ayatollahs in iran, and then saddam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Yes to all. Â If supplying < than one-half of one percent of Saddams fighting capacity (versus France and USSR contributions that were many times greater)constitutes "arming Saddam". Get a clue, Dru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 a deal with the devil is still a deal with the devil, one half of one percent (bogus statistic) or no. Â how about supporting apartheid in south africa? was he right on that too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotterdamerung Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 There's some serious fucking dickheads on this site. I just want you to know that I fear none of you and respect very few of you. You sound like mealy mouthed turd eaters to me. Â Ronald Reagan was a good man, and your attempts to discredit his legacy simply reflect on how pitifully unimportant most of you really are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndavidjr Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 (edited) Fairweather: Perhaps the main difficulty with Iraqi armamants really got rolling through the Commerce Dept., (whose secretary is a cabinet member) some of it under that genius of geopolitics, George H.W. Bush, as well as under the dearly departed President Reagan. Â Some of us may recall Mr. Saddam's nuclear program was almost entirely enabled by acquiring "multiple use" technology from U.S. & European companies during 1980s & right up to Gulf War I. Commerce approved the U.S. transfers, nearly all of which had some fig leaf attached (for example I recall, a system for manufacturing an obscure material used by oil refineries as well as in nuclear triggers. That particular system was installed by the U.S. company at a weapons facility. As the CEO tried to tell me once, "you can build a bomb with a screwdriver.") Â One difficulty was that much of Iraq, including I suppose its oil industry, was run by its military. A large part of the purchases were indirectly subsidized by U.S. aid programs, though not deliberately, one supposes. Â The leading anti-proliferation group (not strictly partisan), called Wisconsin Project, has documented the story in great detail, & had been widely reported by the mainstream press, but as we now know, is of primarily historic interest, thanks to the U.N. Edited June 8, 2004 by johndavidjr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Ronald Reagan was a good man  this is the whole point of the issue.... if you believe he is somehow inherently "good" then somehow it justifies abetting dictators, funding murderers, suppressing civil and human rights, none of which can be said to be "good". I guess it depends how you define "good". I wouldn't call any of those actions" good" so I can't call him a good man or respect him in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klenke Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 If that's what you say about Ronald Reagan, I wonder what that says about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 That I have higher standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 That I have higher standards. Â Self Loathing is a bitch ain't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 i like myself, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvoodoo Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Amazing that people can expend so much energy either praising or demonizing someone they've never met. You know what he did. You don't know who he was. Â Unless one of you is Kissinger trying to get a jump on his retirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 who you are IS what you do. actions speak louder than words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvoodoo Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Now, as king of Spray, you of all people should know better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 spray is an ink cloud for deluded squids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markinore Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 That little Slate article about Reagan by Christopher Hitchens and posted above was perhaps the most ignorant, mean-spirited piece of crap I've read in recent memory. Â Mean-spirited? Perhaps. Would you care to point out anything that is factually incorrect? Â And for those of you who think that it is inappropriate to criticize Reagan so soon after his death, will you please notify us when your tender sensibilities will allow us to do so? Â How about now? Â Â Â Â How about now? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 biatch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 cracked, you have no class. Pagetopping Reagan's thread before he's even cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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