The MSR elctrozapper water purifier thingy

[JoshK]

http://www.msrcorp.com/filters/miox.asp

 

Does anybody know how these things work? No, I have zero intention of paying $130 for a device that takes just as long as iodine, but I'm kind of interested in how it operates.

[Alpinfox]

 

It uses salt, h20, and e- to produce ozone which kills bad things.

[badvoodoo]

It uses salt, h20, and e-

 

It uses extacy? Is that for makin a Nalgene full of love?

[Beck]

it's a high tech version of aquamira, a lot less messy than combining two chemicals.

 

Fill up your water bottle with the dirty water, dip miox pen in same to fill up top of pen. push a little button 1,2, or x times depending on how much water you need purifying, and it 'cooks' up a little purifying solution you then pour into bottle. wait ten minutes and its ready to go.

 

It was unique in that you could a) use in in complete darkness, as little LED lights show you whats happening b)it can be refilled with plain table salt if you run out of the special salt tabs and c) it's a chemical EPA certified purifier. The only filter out there that rates as a purifier is the First Need, and they clog ready fast. Downside, needs battery, also waiting the ten minutes like tabs. Also, doesn't clean out murk.

 

I think it is ideal for military or third world or remote trips like floating the Churchill or thru hiking. Safer on the body then prolonged Iodine use.

[gapertimmy]

hey beck!

 

joshk if you do a search, there was an epic 'discussion' which was dubbed the dueling miox pens about a year ago... it is a fun read

[marylou]

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[Beck]

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[marylou]

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[Dru]

trihalomethane is made when disinfectants containing chlorine come in contact with dissolved organic carbon

 

trihalomethane is a known carcinogen.

 

acceptable drinking water levels of trihalomethane were recently revised downwards, i think the current level is 8 ppb.

 

you might want to think about this before running some of that tea-coloured, Olympic Mountains water through your Miox pen system.

 

[AlpineK]

How come my profile shows that I'm ignoring Marylou, but all of a sudden I can read her posts.

 

However in the case of this thread I'd gladly stop ignoring her just so I can witness an idiotic battle to the death between Marylou and Beck.

[JoshK]

I still want to know how marylou has any authority to test gear or get free shit. somebody tell me.

[cj001f]

I still want to know how marylou has any authority to test gear or get free shit. somebody tell me.

You'd rather listen to Beck? Who only uses CC.com to boost himself in the world

[marylou]

Josh, dunno, bunch of years of doing it. It's not a big deal.

[JoshK]

I still want to know how marylou has any authority to test gear or get free shit. somebody tell me.

You'd rather listen to Beck? Who only uses CC.com to boost himself in the world

 

I think I'd rather listen to somebody who actually climbs

 

Then again, it seems those of us who climb would rather be out climbing then writing reciews to score new gear to talk and brag about.

[AlpineK]

I don't think too much of folks who appoint themselves experts.

 

Nowadays thought there's a lot of demand for content because of the internet and all. It's only natural that there are lots of new opportunities for folks like Marylou and Beck.

[Beck]

you wanted to know how the thing works, JoshK,

 

I hope I gave you some useful input on it. I only tested the prototype. dru had an interesting point about using chlorine, wonder if it's valid.

 

I'm still using iodine tabs, or bleach, or a filter, or boiling.

 

and as to the rest of this thread, whatever!

[JoshK]

No, all the info was good, you were right, that's all I wanted to know.

 

Like I said, I reached my conclusion...this thing is worthless in the cascades. I very rately treat water as it is, and if I do, I either boil or use iodine. It was just how it did it that interested me.

 

But I am glad to know that marylou has scored herself a worthless $130 nerd-toy water purifier that she can talk about.

[Dulton]

Catbird?? Catbird??? Where art thou???

[AlpineK]

I almost never do anything to water. Normally I make a judgement call on how much human activity goes on where the water I'm planning on drinking comes from. I have yet to find anywhere in the Cascades where I could not get water that I'm willing to drink.

 

Maybe I'm lucky or immune to nasty stuff. My system's worked so far...

[Dru]

i wouldnt drink the water from the Crooked River even if I treated it with a MIOX pen

[AlpineK]

Me neither, but there's plenty of good water to be had that flows out of spigots in the park.

[iain]

AlpineK: that comes straight from the crooked river. sometimes it shows up a little brown in the spigots because the park ranger forgot to replace the dirty sock that is filtering out the dead cow parts.

[AlpineK]

Hmmm, I believe the water at the picnic area is well water not CR water...maybe not.

[catbirdseat]

The device is an electrochemical cell that converts chloride ion into hypochlorite ion, if I understand it correctly. Hypochlorite is ordinary bleach. I don't believe it reacts with organic compounds to produce chloroform the way Cl2 would. Under certain conditions it is possible to generate chlorite or even perchlorate ions electrolytically, which would probably not be good for you. Hopefully, this doesn't happen.

 

Why not use ordinary bleach? Has anyone tasted the water from this device? Does it taste good?

Edited April 15, 2004 by catbirdseat

[ivan]

just saw an article in newsweek that said people are retrofitting their outdoor pools to use this technology. likened the effect to "swimming in a pool of pasta water"...yummy!