RobBob Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 I'm realizing that here at work we are emailing more and more data that we would want to keep secure...some supply purchasing, price quotes, etc. If we are using one of the big ISPs through a DSL line, how secure is that from being hacked? It's just a thought I had not pondered, since we aren't transmitting anything so sensitive as credit card info...and I'm not sure what the avg hacker could do with the info... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nothing is secure over the internet. Email, Credit Cards, identity theft, SS# theft, website hacking, it's a fucking crap shoot. Don't rely on security programs and shit...to cover your ass, don't give out any information, don't bank on line, don't purchase shit via credit card on line, etc... If you do, don't bitch when you get robbed. Think I'm wrong or joking?? Think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakioawa Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Basically you have zero security. All your data is sent in clear text over the internet so any ISP that routes your data can read it. Any admin at the receiveing end can read it to. Securing email is not that easy. Look for S/MIME implementations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 LOL this is true....I saw a t-shirt that said "I read your E-mail" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted November 26, 2003 Author Share Posted November 26, 2003 Damn, that's what I thought you all would say. I have personally avoided online banking, etc., due to a gut distrust, but must admit I occasionally order outdoor gear, etc. online. Â But the banks are encouraging our business to make funds transfers online, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 It's your money dude, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratboy Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 If you are using one of the big ISPs, your email itself is being stored on one of their servers, at least until you download it. Large ISPs have any number of people that could access your email if they wanted because they have access to the machine. It is extremely frowned upon by the companies, but it does happen. I've seen it. If you're really worried about it, run your own mail server. That still doesn't solve the plain-text problem. For that, look into PGP encryption. As far as online banking goes, I've been doing it for over 3 years without a problem. If you're vigilant about requiring secure connections (128-bit encryption or more), you're protected from all but military-grade decyphering, at least during transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gapertimmy Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 when i had my car loan via ford credit, they were social engineered by a hacker, homeboy got the password to remote into the loan system, and took his time downloading full information about ford credit customers: ssn, checking accounts, addresses, phone numbers, the whole thing. Apparently they were selective about which identities they stole and went after affluent zip codes in the database. Â lets face it, even if you personally don't do business online, some company you are a customer of does, and I bet that each one of this that use this site has their CC# sitting on at least a dozen random databases out there that are attached to the internet. Â FEAR COMPUTERS, THEY WILL TAKE US ALL OVER JUST LIKE THE MATRIX! Â My advice: discard all your worldly posessions, send your money and gear to me, and move to some small town in southern utah and take up polygamy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted November 26, 2003 Author Share Posted November 26, 2003 okay, now how can I send email and surf w/o IP address so that I can expand my array of avatars on this site unbeknownst to the owners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Use cash. I paid off all my cards years ago and destroyed them. Strictly cash now. If someone needs my ss# I try to go elsewhere. I also never give any personal info. at the point of sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted November 26, 2003 Author Share Posted November 26, 2003 I am in the process of creating a complete financial identity as Dr. Trask Amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratboy Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 RobBob said: okay, now how can I send email and surf w/o IP address so that I can expand my array of avatars on this site unbeknownst to the owners? Â Anonymizer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvoodoo Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Ratboy said: If you are using one of the big ISPs, your email itself is being stored on one of their servers, at least until you download it. Large ISPs have any number of people that could access your email if they wanted because they have access to the machine. It is extremely frowned upon by the companies, but it does happen. I've seen it. If you're really worried about it, run your own mail server. That still doesn't solve the plain-text problem. For that, look into PGP encryption. As far as online banking goes, I've been doing it for over 3 years without a problem. If you're vigilant about requiring secure connections (128-bit encryption or more), you're protected from all but military-grade decyphering, at least during transfer. Â RatBoy's dead on with this one. The only way to really be secure is to run the show yourself, and use some form of PKE (Public Key Encryption) such as PGP. Â As for online banking, you're far more at risk by unwittingly giving out the information yourself. CitiBank recently had a major fraud case occur where people received an email asking for their account number and ATM PIN, which was promptly sent to a server in Russia. Meantime, most encryption algorithms used for online banking would take your average hacker upwards of 2 years to crack. Â Just keep this one thing in mind and you're helping yourself avoid some 80% of the security cases out there: NOBODY should EVER have to ask you for your password or PIN. If you get a bank or ISP asking for this info, it's a fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arlen Posted November 27, 2003 Share Posted November 27, 2003 Whenever I start to wonder if my identity is safe, I just pop in the Manny & Lo DVD. It reminds me that practically nobody around me knows or cares if I exist at all. If you enjoy skulking around behind a bunker, fretting about when the shit's gonna come down, then have a ball. But the fact is, we're all just nobodies that don't matter to anyone, and noone wants your secret information. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawgoddess Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griz Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 Arlen... and great point! Sure allot of people would want to read Bill Gates's email or Allen Greenspan's 'cuz with some inside info you could make a ton of money or stuff like that... but if some pathetic soul wants to read my dumb email to a friend about me freezing my ass off yesterday going up to Chasm Lake then god help them and get a frickin' life... Another dumb example of privacy(or lack there of but... who cares?) is that Safeway could tell me what I've eaten for the past seven years 'cuz I use one of those cards to save a few bucks each week. It's weird but I really don't see any big picture evil in someone else's knowledge that I like grapes. Credit cards? Who gives a shit about buying online? If anything weird shows on your bill then you cancel your card and the cc company foots the bill. Use common sense and caution but basically...big deal. I had some online porn bills show up once on a statement and they just gave me a new card and apologized for the problem. BFD. It is abit weird that your life has a paper trail but the speed and ease that we can buy and communicate now is a too big a plus for someone like me. The bottom line is do you want to go back getting paid w/ gold dust and sending letters w/ waxed seals on them? Our funds and communication are more secure than ever really if you look at that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_Pi Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 Hello capitalist! Don't america have black helicopter sightings also? Thank you for allow oriental to post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Pi - Pok gai D'iu ne lo mo Haam go chan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_Pi Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Hello capitalist! Moderator, moderator, Trask one rude son of a bitch. Thank you for allow commie to post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 pizda! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 that is true for the most part. But I have personaly had someone break into my e-mail and my cc.com account. It is unpleasent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Harry_Pi said: Hello capitalist! Moderator, moderator, Trask one rude son of a bitch. Thank you for allow commie to post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 maybe you should change your password from "muffy" Â If you are running over an encrypted connection you are safe on the web today. What happens to your data once it gets there is anyone's guess. At that point, it doesn't matter if you ordered over the phone or online. I find it hilarious when people refuse to order online, then they hop on the wireless phone to make the order for the shopping systems I've worked on, I make a point to discard all credit info after verification and sale. I don't want to be responsible for that stuff, even if it makes online shopping more convenient for people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I can't remember any thing else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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