Thinker Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 ethics rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 AlpineK said: Scott it is not a superfluous issue. Please tell me what among these things has the biggest environmental impact. Â Power lines Road cuts Clear Cuts Bolts. Â (e) the attitude that leads to all 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 scott_harpell said: You are defining a road cut as wilderness??? well it certainly used to be now didn't it? that was my point... saying that we have already defiled the wilderness is not excuse to do with it what we will... if you wanna use that logic, than why not grid bolt index as it used to be a quarry... riiight. It is no longer a wilderness, duh...why not use it now?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 ethics is not relative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lummox Posted November 18, 2003 Author Share Posted November 18, 2003 this thread reminds me of my visit to the state mental hospital: everyone of you crazies is screaming to no one in particular. at least that is how it appears. peace out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 scott_harpell said: ethics is not relative. Â YEah, but you can go get lost if you try to ram your ethics down my throat...ethics are totally relative... Â ie, in some civilizations, it was deemed ethical to keep slaves of conquered societies... Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Like Kurt said - what is wrong with you, Scott? Nobody here has ever advocated grid-bolting Index. Yes, those evil doers have added some sport climbs there over the years -- face climbs that are well away from the cracks -- but even though they haven't been chopped, there is no gang of rappel bolters getting ready to rush in and destroy the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 RuMR said: scott_harpell said: You are defining a road cut as wilderness??? well it certainly used to be now didn't it? that was my point... saying that we have already defiled the wilderness is not excuse to do with it what we will... if you wanna use that logic, than why not grid bolt index as it used to be a quarry... riiight. It is no longer a wilderness, duh...why not use it now?? Â again situational ethics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distel32 Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 word to big bird lummox!  I'm off to boldering.com suckas, hahahahah  time to debate over crashpads and who has better slopers: HP40, LCC, or Squampton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_average Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 scott_harpell said: AlpineK said: Scott it is not a superfluous issue. Please tell me what among these things has the biggest environmental impact. Â Power lines Road cuts Clear Cuts Bolts. Â (e) the attitude that leads to all 4 I'm sure you live in a recycled tire house, powered by solar panels, eat homegrown sprouts, make your own tofu, walk to whereever you need to get, don't eat processed food, wear organic homegrown hemp clothing, drink natural spring water, don't wash your hair to keep shampoo out of our water, and live in harmony with the land. Be one with Mother Earth. Â Stick that in your average-income white American pipe and smoke it. Â Kurt: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Font has the best slopers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 RuMR said: scott_harpell said: ethics is not relative. Â YEah, but you can go get lost if you try to ram your ethics down my throat...ethics are totally relative... Â ie, in some civilizations, it was deemed ethical to keep slaves of conquered societies... Â Â exactly!!! that is a case of situational ethics! they justified their ethics based on the 'curent consensus' similar to what you are sugesting by saying that 'everyone is against you'. ethics are not relative. is it ever ok to murder? no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 I've no problem w/ situational ethics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_average Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Depends who you're murdering. Start making some sense and people might listen. Â BTW, the electricity that powers your computer came through those Earth-raping power lines. How do you justify that away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 mattp said: Like Kurt said - what is wrong with you, Scott? Nobody here has ever advocated grid-bolting Index. Yes, those evil doers have added some sport climbs there over the years -- face climbs that are well away from the cracks -- but even though they haven't been chopped, there is no gang of rappel bolters getting ready to rush in and destroy the place. Â in followed the "it's already fucked" reasoning and showed that that type of reasoning is applicable in another context ie. index. i didn't say anyone wanted to, but using that reasoning they could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 and yeah, murder is sometimes acceptable...there are circumstances that support it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 scott_harpell said: again situational ethics. Â There is another phrase for situational ethics: common sense. To reject common sense in favor of some black and white rules is the practice of someone who doesn't want to live in a thinking, conscous world. Go find yourself a nice totalitarian state where you and the other bolt bigots can make yourself at home. Â Free the bolts. Free the bolts. Free the bolts and we're all free to have fun at last! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 RuMR said: and yeah, murder is sometimes acceptable...there are circumstances that support it... Â when... i defy you to give me an instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 mattp said: scott_harpell said: again situational ethics. Â There is another phrase for situational ethics: common sense. To reject common sense in favor of some black and white rules is the practice of someone who doesn't want to live in a thinking, conscous world. Go find yourself a nice totalitarian state where you and the other bolt bigots can make yourself at home. Â Free the bolts. Free the bolts. Free the bolts and we're all free to have fun at last! Damn Matt!! You're funny!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lummox Posted November 18, 2003 Author Share Posted November 18, 2003 toot toot. wooka wooka. yo. that shizzle is da nizzle. i couldnt climb the grand wall without bolts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 scott_harpell said: is it ever ok to murder? no. Â According to some, it is OK to murder if you are murdering Islamic terrorists before they murder you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 scott_harpell said: RuMR said: and yeah, murder is sometimes acceptable...there are circumstances that support it... Â when... i defy you to give me an instance. How bout someone molesting a child? If it were my child, i'd kill that bastard as fast as i could load my gun, then the body would disappear... Â How bout spousal abuse? Â How bout combat? Â How bout just plain getting into a drunken brawl and the guy pulls a knife and its you or him? Â Need some more? Â How bout state-sponsored capital punishment for a monster like Ridgeway? Â You are a fool if you try to force a black and white framework on life...ITS GREY!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distel32 Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 mattp said: scott_harpell said: again situational ethics. Â There is another phrase for situational ethics: common sense. To reject common sense in favor of some black and white rules is the practice of someone who doesn't want to live in a thinking, conscous world. Go find yourself a nice totalitarian state where you and the other bolt bigots can make yourself at home. Â Free the bolts. Free the bolts. Free the bolts and we're all free to have fun at last! Â Matt should be made "Master of CC.com" Â some mod needs to get right on his new title! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 mattp said: scott_harpell said: again situational ethics. Â There is another phrase for situational ethics: common sense. To reject common sense in favor of some black and white rules is the practice of someone who doesn't want to live in a thinking, conscous world. Go find yourself a nice totalitarian state where you and the other bolt bigots can make yourself at home. Â Free the bolts. Free the bolts. Free the bolts and we're all free to have fun at last! Â so just let someone say "hmm.. he really pissed me off... i am gonna justify murder... because he made me really mad"... is that the common sense you are talking about matt? you call me a bigot because i try to live in a way with ethics that are not dependent on the dilapidating and increasingly watered down ethics of each generation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lummox Posted November 18, 2003 Author Share Posted November 18, 2003 FIRE! HILTI! CROWBAR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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