Greg_W Posted August 14, 2003 Posted August 14, 2003 BD ATC is pretty basic, and that's why I like it. For bringing up a second, I prefer a Munter hitch; especially if I think they might have trouble. This is a GREAT knot, and it is stronger (more friction) than an ATC. As long as you keep the strands parallel, you won't have kinking/twisting problems (a smaller diameter rope helps with this, as well). Greg_W (Latin American Diplomat Extraordinaire) Quote
Pro Mountain Sports Posted August 14, 2003 Posted August 14, 2003 In addition to more standard sized friction devices we are also stocking the HB Marshall. Similar to ATC type devices but with smaller slots designed for small single and/or half ropes (7.5mm-9.4mm). Quote
Dru Posted August 15, 2003 Posted August 15, 2003 how come nobody voted for the good ol' hip belay Quote
Greg_W Posted August 15, 2003 Posted August 15, 2003 Dru said: how come nobody voted for the good ol' hip belay It's kinda tough on sythetic fabrics, for one. Quote
Beck Posted August 15, 2003 Posted August 15, 2003 i'm voting plaquette or stitch, love the modulation of a stitch plate with the spring, talk about a smooth feed and a graduated catch! Quote
Greg_W Posted August 15, 2003 Posted August 15, 2003 Beck said: i'm voting plaquette or stitch, love the modulation of a stitch plate with the spring, talk about a smooth feed and a graduated catch! That's old skool, man!!! Don't you have to also climb in Converse Chuck Taylors while using a stitch plate? Quote
Figger_Eight Posted August 16, 2003 Posted August 16, 2003 guys...it called a STICHT plate. Stitch plates are on sewing machines. Quote
Sphinx Posted August 16, 2003 Posted August 16, 2003 Figger_Eight said: guys...it called a STICHT plate. Stitch plates are on sewing machines. Nobody pronounces it like they should, either. It's a German word, OK? Quote
Sphinx Posted August 16, 2003 Posted August 16, 2003 skyclimb said: get a REVERSO And use is for solo TOP-ROPING! Quote
Billygoat Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 Yates Belay Slave in the sticht plate configuration, or BRD Quote
Dru Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 i used to have atc's and i burned through 2 or 3 of them, the keeper cable always broke at the device. switched to pyramid and they lastyed a lot longer and had more options for belaying (flip upside down for more catch) and lasted longer still use em for most belaying but reverso for alpine due to autolocking & double belay of seconds. i think the B-52 autolocking mode belay is weird cause you have to clip right into the slot instead of a loop like you can with Reverso. looks like it can offset load the device? unless you clip a biner into both slots.... Quote
Jens Posted August 17, 2003 Posted August 17, 2003 If BD ever decides to stop making the regular ATC I hope they will tell us so I can buy a lifetime supply of them. I like it better than any of the devices mentioned although I haven't tried the Trango B52 yet. Quote
snoboy Posted August 19, 2003 Posted August 19, 2003 (edited) Let's keep discussion post here I was playing around with the B-52 today, and may have discovered a bad design flaw that could allow you to drop a second when using the autoblock mode. We are going to investigate further, including some body weight tests, and video/pics if required. Basically the problem is that the braking biner can get stuck above the "bump" on the bottom of the unit, and fail to lock. We were able to reliably duplicate this behaviour with a couple different ropes, and biners, but only while pulling on the rope, ie, not with full weight. There was still enough friction that you would probably be able to stop a person if you were holding the brake end of the rope snoboy said: Opinions? I got a few of those! ATC = Pryamid = Revreso = B-52 = Having used a Pyramid for years, and a Reverso occasionaly, I recently tried out the B-52 and was so impressed I sold the Pyramid, and will get rid of the Reverso too. It feeds smoother than any device I have tried. It locks up nicely when it is time. It works as an autolock plate on multi pitch. It is lighter than the Reverso. I would even reccomend it to someone who will never use it in autolock mode, something I would never do with the Reverso. It is the all purpose unit! Edited August 19, 2003 by snoboy Quote
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