Bronco Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 It's pretty obvious to most of us and I hate to waste people's time, but if you have some obscure tidbit, feel free to speak up. Sure things aren't perfect, but, there isn't anywhere else I'd rather be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Welfare! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 i think you misread the post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 I think that there's "plenty" of people out there that LOVE America because it has a gratuitous welfare system that's simple and easy to use and abuse. No misreading the post here, nuh uh. Now, could I have been more positive? Why, yes I could have. But I'm not feeling that way this a.m. Sorry for the bitter herbs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 i think superfluous welfare is the biggest problem we have... it creates classes because people are taught to be content with welfare status... this perpetuates the poverty and the dependance... shitty deal if'n'ya ask me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Fence_Sitter said: i think superfluous welfare is the biggest problem we have... it creates classes because people are taught to be content with welfare status... this perpetuates the poverty and the dependance... shitty deal if'n'ya ask me... That, and PC run amok. And I think it's more a case of laziness/lack of motivation/resistance to change rather than "taught to be content" that creates the burgeoning welfare class. Agreed that perpetuates poverty and dependance, and it's a shitty deal. Is there a cure for The Great Society that has been wrought upon us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted July 8, 2003 Author Share Posted July 8, 2003 I love it because you are free to take risks and reap the rewards of your work with relatively minimal interference from the government. Oh yeah, One Nation under God, beer, guns, chainsaws, big trucks, rodeo's and catfights between hot chicks aren't bad either, yee-haw! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Bronco said: I love it because you are free to take risks and reap the rewards of your work with relatively minimal interference from the government. Agreed, unless you're Bill Gates... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 and dont forget JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! and STEVE! STEVE! STEVE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Bronco said: I love it because you are free to take risks and reap the rewards of your work with relatively minimal interference from the government. Oh yeah, One Nation under God, beer, guns, chainsaws, big trucks, rodeo's and catfights between hot chicks aren't bad either, yee-haw! I SECOND that ya 'Montana lovin' redneck hick'. I exclude hot chicks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGowans Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Fence_Sitter said: i think superfluous welfare is the biggest problem we have... it creates classes because people are taught to be content with welfare status... this perpetuates the poverty and the dependance... shitty deal if'n'ya ask me... Uh huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Fence_Sitter said: i think superfluous welfare is the biggest problem we have... it creates classes because people are taught to be content with welfare status... this perpetuates the poverty and the dependance... shitty deal if'n'ya ask me... superfluous welfare? i think abuse of the welfare system is a HUGE problem but what is it w/people who can't get your minds around the concept that sometimes it is good to help other people??? At one point in my life i was VERY close to spending some time on welfare. Thanks to my very cool family that didn't happen. Many many people are not so lucky. Should we abandon those amongst who are less fortunate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratboy Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 (edited) Bronco said: ...relatively minimal interference from the government. Amen, brother. In addition to the previously mentioned wide open spaces we have managed to protect in this country so far, there's those 10 little gems our forefathers had enough cajones to add to the Constitution: the Bill of Rights. Am I the only left-leaning politico these days that thinks the Second Amendment is just as important as the others? Seems like I am sometimes. While I'm rather partial to the First and Fourth, it seems like the Second gets the shaft from people that should be defending it. They are all there for a reason, people! Ok, I'm done. Edited July 8, 2003 by Ratboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 it should get the shaft. it's a misused relic from times gone by and worthless today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 minx said: Fence_Sitter said: i think superfluous welfare is the biggest problem we have... it creates classes because people are taught to be content with welfare status... this perpetuates the poverty and the dependance... shitty deal if'n'ya ask me... superfluous welfare? i think abuse of the welfare system is a HUGE problem but what is it w/people who can't get your minds around the concept that sometimes it is good to help other people??? At one point in my life i was VERY close to spending some time on welfare. Thanks to my very cool family that didn't happen. Many many people are not so lucky. Should we abandon those amongst who are less fortunate? that is why i said superfluous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Fence, not to nitpik any more than necessary. The implication of the way you phrased your post was that all welfare is superfluous. it is not. That and my views are skewed b/c i continually hear the cries of the repubs to completely dismantle welfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 minx said: Fence, not to nitpik any more than necessary. The implication of the way you phrased your post was that all welfare is superfluous. it is not. That and my views are skewed b/c i continually hear the cries of the repubs to completely dismantle welfare. i think superfluous welfare is the biggest problem we have nope... really didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Hahah...yeah, right, I'm sure those people are really *happy* with being on welfare. It's a kick ass life style after all! Jeezus...wake up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 why would they not... when born into this sifestyle is there much else to look forward to? status quo my friend... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGowans Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 JoshK said: Hahah...yeah, right, I'm sure those people are really *happy* with being on welfare. It's a kick ass life style after all! Jeezus...wake up. Agreed. For a benchmark of superfluous welfare one need only look to Sweden, Holland, or most other EU nations except the UK. Actually if FS claims that the US welfare system is superfluous then the UK one is downright decadent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Fence_Sitter said: why would they not... when born into this sifestyle is there much else to look forward to? status quo my friend... You sure seem to know a lot about growing up in the ghetto for a young white upper middle class kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 why would they not??? b/c welfare is a meager existence at best. i agree that multigenerational seems to perpetuate its self. however, it would seem that the humane way to change the situation is to provide opportunities to move up from that situation. obviously, not everyone is going to take the opportunities provided to them. i can tell you that if i had not been fortunate enough to have an education and have been lucky enough to have a good family and had the timing to land a job when i did, i would've been part of the welfare roles and getting off would've been incredibly difficult. surviving as a single parent is not an easy task. lacking the skills and resources to provide for a child does not give people many options for getting off of welfare. and for those of you about to spew forth about not having kids if you can't afford them. skip it. it's a pointless argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 JGowans said: JoshK said: Hahah...yeah, right, I'm sure those people are really *happy* with being on welfare. It's a kick ass life style after all! Jeezus...wake up. Agreed. For a benchmark of superfluous welfare one need only look to Sweden, Holland, or most other EU nations except the UK. Actually if FS claims that the US welfare system is superfluous then the UK one is downright decadent! because someone else spends more we should as well? tha makes a great deal of sense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 I live here because I can't afford a ticket to Paradise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGowans Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Fence_Sitter said: JGowans said: JoshK said: Hahah...yeah, right, I'm sure those people are really *happy* with being on welfare. It's a kick ass life style after all! Jeezus...wake up. Agreed. For a benchmark of superfluous welfare one need only look to Sweden, Holland, or most other EU nations except the UK. Actually if FS claims that the US welfare system is superfluous then the UK one is downright decadent! because someone else spends more we should as well? tha makes a great deal of sense... I did not claim that the US should spend more. Rather, I tried to provide substance to my counter argument that the US does NOT have a superfluous welfare system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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