freeclimb9 Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 Friends in Tucson say the smoke in town is pretty bad. I can only imagine what the mountain itself looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 Sad. Lemmon rocks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 What is mount lemmon? If it's like most of the mountains in arizona it won't look much different after it's burned. I was down there for 4 july a few years back and a firework accident caught an entire hillside on fire. that was pretty exciting to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 I'm sure the smoke is pretty bad. It takes a good gust of wind to clean out that valley. Lived in Phoenix for 13 years - no thanks, no again, counldn't pay me enough... Sad though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 All my family, for the most part, live in Phoenix. That place is the shithole to end all shitholes. It makes lovely los angeles look like heaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 JoshK said: What is mount lemmon? Mt Lemmon is actually a pretty good sized peak, 9157' at the top with a ski area (okay, small ski area) on top, in the Santa Catalina Mountains just north of Tucson. Round about the midpoint it starts growing some good sized ponderosa pines, which carry on to the summit. There are great crags distributed all over the mountain, and generally speaking, you can find the right temperature somewhere on the mountain at any time of year. It can be too cool for shorts in August on the top. There is probably at least as much climbing on that mountain as all of Leavenworth, Darrington, Index, Static, Vantage, and Tieton combined. If I recall, they had a really bad fire season last year too. What a bummer to have happen to such a great place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 why is phoenix so bad? pollution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 To start - it is too damn hot. The place is brown, dirty, and full of freaks. I guess it is not necessarily what it is - but what Phoenix lacks. Trees, mountains, green grass, water...... I also have family still living there. It is great to visit at Christmas and wear t-shirts & shorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 Phoenix: where a baby's first words are ". . but its a dry heat" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 Yes, the pollution is horrible and the scenery is awful. Phoenix is the best example of the worst the desert southwest has to offer. It's Las Vegas without the sin, It's los angeles without the ocean and the celebs. THe heat is unbearable in the summer, and when it rains, everything floods. The crime is bad and it has a huge redneck population. To quote somebody else's expression (from this site, I believe), it should be used at the proving ground for the neutron bomb. -josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 pollution, people, and hot like you wouldn't believe. Damned evil burning orb in the sky just won't go away. Phoenix also has enough pavement and other mass that it just doesn't cool down at night much either. Tucson was better, though still damned hot 6 months of the year, at least back in 1985 when I lived there for a bit. Well, actually I guess the town was a bit of a hole, best described as Queens with palm trees, but it was smaller and easy to get out of, and ringed with mountain ranges and climbing areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 sounds charming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 rbw1966 said: Phoenix: where a baby's first words are ". . but its a dry heat" Josh - I have to agree with everything you said. You forgot to mention that it doesn't even cool off at night due to all the asphalt. But it is NOT a dry heat anymore. All the damn golf courses have made the city humid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted June 21, 2003 Share Posted June 21, 2003 Got some of my rappell brothers and sisters down there as well as some other fire friends taken care of business! Sounds like a huge fire. Have to live vicariously through them this summer though. Actually, I kind of like the break..what a great summer it already has been! Call me crazy but I really believe Arizona is beautiful! The Grand Canyon is amazing and much of the scenery (minus the large cities) is something to be seen. Of course I have just been there for fires, so I haven't experienced it on my terms but the desert is very mystical and intruguing to me...the whole southwest desert for that matter. I want to roam that area someday again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted June 21, 2003 Share Posted June 21, 2003 Anna, agreed, Arizona has beautiful parts. We were all talking about phoenix specifically. It is the butthole of arizona and the nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 21, 2003 Share Posted June 21, 2003 Burn Lemmon Burn I hear a riot goin on First their guilty now they gone Yeah I'll check out the AZ But It'll take a burnt one to move me Get me the hell away from this TV All its news and views are beneath me So all I hear about Is spray ringing out Bout two gangs blowin each others head out Alright brothers lets go hangout Black sprayas kick some slang out For all these years we looked like clowns The joke is over smell the smoke from all around Burn Lemmon burn Lemmon burn Lemmon burn [deep voice] Ice Pube is down with the C.C Now every single bitch wanna PM me Big Daddy's smooth words to mother Lets check out spray that exploits the color Rollin thru Lemmon late at night Red and blue lights what a common sight Get pulled to the curb dont get played like a sucka Dont fight the power - spray the motherfucka etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwalling Posted June 21, 2003 Share Posted June 21, 2003 Sucks to be them. Sure glad Index doesn't have problems with fire! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted June 21, 2003 Share Posted June 21, 2003 We were all talking about phoenix specifically Yah I know, just was trying to make ya focus on good things...I guess. I actually have never been to Pheonix. Doesn't sound very hip. Been to Snowflake/Show Low..that area, and the Grand Canyon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoboy Posted June 21, 2003 Share Posted June 21, 2003 kitten said: You [JoshK] forgot to mention that it doesn't even cool off at night due to all the asphalt. What's Off_White, chopped liver??? Off_White said:Phoenix also has enough pavement and other mass that it just doesn't cool down at night much either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 22, 2003 Share Posted June 22, 2003 Queen Creek rox Free camping Better than Smiff Tuffy tuft boulders Routes too Did I mention the free camping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted June 22, 2003 Share Posted June 22, 2003 snoboy said: kitten said: You [JoshK] forgot to mention that it doesn't even cool off at night due to all the asphalt. What's Off_White, chopped liver??? Off_White said:Phoenix also has enough pavement and other mass that it just doesn't cool down at night much either. prolly cause their posts are less than 1 min between Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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