Off_White Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 A brief cruise of the thread suggests that Bush has a postion of plausible deniability vis-a-vis the yet-to-be-found Weapons of Mass Destruction because he may have been given false intelligence by his underlings. This raises the question: George Bush is aStupid DupeLying BastardGiven the justifications, I really don't see a third option, unless someone out there really wants to believe:c: Idealistic Dreamer with no grasp of reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necronomicon Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 erik said: apprently you missed the whole point. Â i have no opinion. Â i read it all! i read your precious foxnes.com, cnn.com, msnbc.com aljeezera, and a host of others. Â i read all sides of the story. Â ALL SIDES!!! Â i base my ideas and opinions once i feel i have a well rounded base. Â bush is a liar, that is the topic of convo. Â Â erik = Polish Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticNacho Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 Fence_Sitter said: Ursa_Eagle said: Fence_Sitter said: that there are no weapons of mass destruction... it has only been 2 weeks... we haven't found bin laden in 2 years! chew on that...  a) we started looking for bin Laden 19 months ago, not 24 b) we invaded Iraq 8 weeks ago, not 2. c) in an earlier post, you mentioned 4000 popups. I counted 7 from 6 pages  perhaps you wouldn't come off as such an idiot if you got your numbers right. you're about as credible as your hero boy, shrub.  you expect them to find the weapons while they are fighting a war?!?!!? what do they just say "hey stop shooting at us!?!? we have to search your country for illegal weapons!"? i think not...and the U.S. has been looking for bin laden much much much longer than that... read up kiddo...  I thought you were against Clinton's firing of cruise missles in his attempt to get rid of Saddam. Was that a transgression? Sounded like it. And remind me, since "I don't read" and I'm just an ignorant liberal, what were Clinton's transgressions in Kosovo? Just freakin' answer the question. Question -> Answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 MysticNacho said: Fence_Sitter said: Ursa_Eagle said: Fence_Sitter said: that there are no weapons of mass destruction... it has only been 2 weeks... we haven't found bin laden in 2 years! chew on that...  a) we started looking for bin Laden 19 months ago, not 24 b) we invaded Iraq 8 weeks ago, not 2. c) in an earlier post, you mentioned 4000 popups. I counted 7 from 6 pages  perhaps you wouldn't come off as such an idiot if you got your numbers right. you're about as credible as your hero boy, shrub.  you expect them to find the weapons while they are fighting a war?!?!!? what do they just say "hey stop shooting at us!?!? we have to search your country for illegal weapons!"? i think not...and the U.S. has been looking for bin laden much much much longer than that... read up kiddo...  I thought you were against Clinton's firing of cruise missles in his attempt to get rid of Saddam. Was that a transgression? Sounded like it. And remind me, since "I don't read" and I'm just an ignorant liberal, what were Clinton's transgressions in Kosovo? Just freakin' answer the question. Question -> Answer.  just like you are saying that bush is doing, we went to war with yugoslavia not to save the lives of ethnic albanians, but rather to procure a strong relationship with russia who clinton was obsessed with allying with after the cold war period...another deceit of motives... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 also, both the brittish adn U.S. goverments dramatically exaggerated teh death counts...which they estimated to be over 100,000 turne out to be barely 3,000 ...the list goes on and on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 thats the lie??  hahahahahah  oh fuck i just pissed myself. hahahahahahah  ahahahahahahah ahahahahahah hhahahahahahha  hahahahahahaha  hahahahahahahahahaa  ahahahahahahaha  hahahahahahahaa  i feel as if i have been cheated of my life, liberty and right to be a free thinking american.  still not a lie tho...............     Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 where's the differne erik? you can now see my indifference for both 'lies' i know this lying goes on... clinton and bush's lies are one and the same... so why aren't you in agreement with me with bush...they did the same thing right? and obviously you dont see clinton's transgression as that bad, so what of bush's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 well i am donw with all this...but here is one thing to roll your little mind on...  betchel  come back to me when you have the answer.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 erik said: well i am donw with all this...but here is one thing to roll your little mind on...  betchel  come back to me when you have the answer.   what about it? it has nothing to do with the current topic... we are talking about the differences (or lack thereof) between the wartime transgression of bush and clinton... is that just your 'ace' when you cant win an argument? betchel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 you dont know what betchel is? Â google it....it will make sense. Â Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 i know what it is erik it is the corp that was supposed to fix iran after civil war...they didn't pay..then they lobied the government to fund was with iran by giving saddam $$ and arms... what does that have to do with our conversation? 'ace'? i think so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 how did chenys former country get the job to rebuild iraq and manage the oil?  hmmmm?  isnt there supposed to be a bidding process? and in this case an international one??  hmmmm  cha ching...   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 so what? what does that have to do with the differences between bush and clinton as per their motivations for their respective wars...sure it is a nice piece o' dirt...butit is just a weak distraction you are tyring to throw into the gears... i agree it is scandilous...but where's the connection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 your argument is as weak as me bringing up real estate deals gone awry but the former president clinton... its just smack talk that tries to confuse the topic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 well since clinton was never the topic and i was justifying your leaders lie for you.... Â do i have to argue both points now?? Â who cares about clinton...he can no longer hurt the country... Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 i am merely pointing out how partisan angst can blind you... are you suggestign that bsuh started a war just so cheney could rebuild it?!?! pishaw! that makes a lot of sense... and yes clinton is still hurting the country...my buddy just got bck from kosovo with a purple heart... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 Fence, just to be clear about this I should say that we all believe Clinton was a liar. Your initial completely vague assertions that he told some unidentified lie about Kosovo just didn't cut it and at least you have now told us how it was that you think he lied about it. It would further help to make the comparison if you could provide a single citation or source for what you are saying. Â Either way, however, I don't think that will change my opinion about GW and company. They went before the UN and the American public and offered what were either blatant lies or unchecked facts as "evidence" to justify the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa_Eagle Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 Fence_Sitter said: so what? what does that have to do with the differences between bush and clinton as per their motivations for their respective wars...sure it is a nice piece o' dirt...butit is just a weak distraction you are tyring to throw into the gears... i agree it is scandilous...but where's the connection? Â ummm, you're the one who keeps on bringing clinton up. the original topic (including the subject) is BUSH AND POWELL ARE LIARS. you're arguing with us when we say that they are. Â one question for you: is Bush a liar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 lies more lies still more lies holy shit! more lies! Â and eagle god damn you are dumb...i have said as per the current topic i dont know if bush lied (WMD) but i am sure he has lied in the past...all politicains have...that is what being in politics is about...that was my initial post and the rationale for me bringing up clinton... i also brought up nixon, kennedy nd others...i am just showing examples from the two most recent...holy shit eagle i hope you understand my position now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 Bush is a liar who cowtows to big business. His daddy was a cowtowing liar too (but at least he could stand up to the Israeli lobby). Clinton was a pathological liar of epic stature. Reagan was a liar and a buffoon (but he was just so likeable). Â Jimmy Carter might have been the most honest president we ever had ("I have lusted after other women." )... and he ties with Franklin Pierce as our worst president. Â SO WHAT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 we can obviously see a direct correlation between lies and the quality of a president... wait a minute! who wa sayign that bush was a liar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 wow! you guys have pretty low standards. be sure to indicate what you mean when you discuss democracy. Â democracy: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 (theory) democracy: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections. reality: government=people people=different personality types politicians=extroverts/high need for recognition/exaggeraters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa_Eagle Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 you are avoiding the question yet again FS: Â Is bush a liar? it's a simple yes or no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 Ursa_Eagle said: you are avoiding the question yet again FS: Â Is bush a liar? it's a simple yes or no. Â Actually, it's just a simple yes. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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