Greg_W Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Greg- Again you jest. pays the bills??? The US has consistently refused to pay its dues. As well we should, the UN is a useless organization run by global socialists who oppose the free, open society that the United States stands for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegetablebelay Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Need we dig up pics of Saddam's chemical dosing of the Kurds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Veggie- Nobody is arguing that Saddam is a good guy. I believe the current international and domestic debate has to do with what to do about him, what may be the costs or benefits associated with any particular scenario, and what should be the nature and extent of international cooperation in the world. I believe that even the most ardent anti-war protesters here and abroad acknowledge that Saddam is an evil despot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 11, 2003 Author Share Posted February 11, 2003 My prediction - Iraq crumbles like yesterday's toast with no nukes used and feeble attempts by Saddam to deliver some gas and/or germs before he is found hanging from a lamppost with his girl friend. This guy is just another pissant dictator with some nasties, but cannot be left around to grow in stature if we backed down now. Anybody ever notice the striking similarity of Saddam and Mussolini on their balconies, one shooting his rifle in a silly hat, and the other with his arms crossed and a silly smirk? The same fate awaits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Saddam...shooting his rifle in a silly hat Not a very good example of proper gun safety. Do you think they have the Eddie Eagle program over there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 The Goat has sprayed Let's be perfectly clear here. There is only one goat, and I can pretty much guarantee you will be introduced to him shortly with a topic like this, as it has nothing to do with climbing and everything to do with THE GOAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-rock Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 (edited) I find it interesting that people will spend time here DECIDING in their own minds who gets to live and die on planet Earth, and then when they're faced with a mere representation of the reality they support, they get squeamish. That photo that Scott posted breaks my heart all to hell. (Note: Edit to reflect the fact that I've taken erik's points to heart, even if I have been quoted below) Sincerely, Erik Reinert Edited February 12, 2003 by E-rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 11, 2003 Author Share Posted February 11, 2003 I find it interesting that people will spend time here DECIDING in their own minds who gets to live and die on planet Earth, and then when they're faced with a mere representation of the reality they support, they get squeamish. That photo that Scott posted breaks my heart all to hell. FUCK YOU TRASK, GREGW, DWAYNER and the rest of you knuckle-dragging, hairy old men. Sincerely, Erik Reinert you can have the others, but I prefer women Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billygoat Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 The Goat has sprayed Let's be perfectly clear here. There is only one goat, and I can pretty much guarantee you will be introduced to him shortly with a topic like this, as it has nothing to do with climbing and everything to do with THE GOAT. Us goats are basically all the same. We smell bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 I find it interesting that people will spend time here DECIDING in their own minds who gets to live and die on planet Earth, and then when they're faced with a mere representation of the reality they support, they get squeamish. That photo that Scott posted breaks my heart all to hell. FUCK YOU TRASK, GREGW, DWAYNER and the rest of you knuckle-dragging, hairy old men. Sincerely, Erik Reinert Gee, Erik, I thought you liberals were all about diversity. Can't our opinions be diverse, too? That photo is horrible, but so is war, and war is sometimes necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billygoat Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Seriously, who here has actually been to war (action, front lines) and how was that experience?! "I've known no war, and if I ever do I won't know for sure, who'll be fightin' who, it's the soldiers lonely tune..." The Who Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Seriuosly, who here has actually been to war (action, front lines) and how was that experience?! Most of my friends and relations who have been to war do not want to talk about it, and I don't ask. Does that answer your question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billygoat Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottP Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Jesus Christ Scott. And you wonder why I flip you shit. What's wrong, Trask? Something wrong with the results of nuclear war? Don't worry, it was probably just some stupid kid. -- FDA This forum isn't the place to showcase it fuckwad. "I am of the mind to use them (nuclear weapons.) Anybody have any thoughts on the matter? Pro or Con? What do people think about the fallout, both physical and political?" You asked... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 i kinda find it weird that sooo many people(myself included) who have never seen combat let alone a true confrontation can hold soo many aggressive ideals. i at one time thought that war was a neccesay way to acheive objectives and that may be true. but they are only objectives. the politcal cheastbeating that transpires here is sometimes so fucking childish that it truley mimics some filabuster put on by the good ole' boys club. the only thing war acheives is short term glory and gains and a huge loss of life. wheter it be the "enemy" or the good guys. there is more then one or two sides of this issue. but the overzealous and sometimes sickening beats on the war drum that speaw from these threads is unbelieveable. we are all entitiled to our opinions, but your opinion in my eyes is not valid if it is tainted with "fuckwad" "you pussy" "peice of shit asshole" these are the words of people with no point, these are the words of people who have no words. my brother is over there in the middle east and has the possibilty of dying. even though i have never much got along with my family, do you think i would even want him involved in this bullshit ego trip? fuck no!! it truly worries me that he may be killed or injured. maybe most of you have less to lose in this conflict outside of some personal comforts and gas prices. use your brain, and consider yourself ready for action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 the truth of it is, erik, that we could all die at any moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 the truth of it is, erik, that we could all die at any moment so smoke em if you got em and dont forget to tell your friends you love them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 YEP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 do it now cause you might be dead tomorrow.... cant drink beer when youre dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 11, 2003 Author Share Posted February 11, 2003 party like there's no tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 the truth of it is, erik, that we could all die at any moment profound muffy but you missed my point. there is much talk here but little action. i used my personal view and how i relate to the upcoming conflict to express my point. certainly we all may die tommorow or even right. but going after rhetoric for a little substantiated personal issue is no reason to send others into war. i read all this stuff that people are posting and wonder where they're real values are? i have met many people from this site and hold respect for everyone of them., but in reading this i just wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 I didn't miss your point Erik. I am sorry I was making light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Interesting website giving shedding a little light on the goverment's Human rights history, (or lack therof). Some of the stories of torture are pretty graphic, just so you know ahead of time, but, no gross photos. http://www.iraqfoundation.org/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Interesting website giving shedding a little light on the goverment's Human rights history, (or lack therof). Some of the stories of torture are pretty graphic, just so you know ahead of time, but, no gross photos. http://www.iraqfoundation.org/index.html i would love to see website telling us of our own countries human right abuses. then again reading a book on the cia. they dont actually torture their enemies. they have "friendly" countries to our plight handle that. how is that different??? and why is it that our actions as americans are deemed worthy in the view of the angelo christain ideals, yet everyone else is a punk??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 yeah, iraq is the only country out there that violates basic human rights....yeah that's the ticket. uh huh sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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