minx Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 damn straight we are. the sex is outrageous and she's a fox. damn, I'm happier than a pig in slop! awwwwwwww.......that's so nice of you sweet cheeks but next time could you use a better analogy? i thought the mud wrestling was gonna be our little secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glacierdog Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 and BTW: yes, of course trask and i are involved in a torrid, steamy affair; the kind most of you wankers pay to watch in chick flix in the theatre so just shut up and watch. BWAAHAHHAAAA Ahem, but about the oil. It's not about the oil. Lets just drop the stinkin' oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I'm struggling not to laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 glacier dog, then what is it about? I don't think it's about the oil myself but i'm always curious about what others think it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 try terrorism, hate, evil, cleansing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I'd like to see Saddam's carcass dragged out and strung up like Mussoliniweenie Or like Nicolae Ceausescu. It's better if the Iraqis do it themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 glacier dog, then what is it about? I don't think it's about the oil myself but i'm always curious about what others think it is. either lack of......or compensation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I'd like to see Saddam's carcass dragged out and strung up like Mussoliniweenie Or like Nicolae Ceausescu. It's better if the Iraqis do it themselves. definitely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I would like to believe that war is the manifistation of the universal battle of good against evil. The struggle for balence. But then I might watch too much star wars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I would like to believe that war is the manifistation of the universal battle of good against evil. The struggle for balence. But then I might watch too much star wars i like muffy's idea best and if this thing does actually happen, i am going to force myself into this belief in order to swallow it w/o gagging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I think you two ladies nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glacierdog Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 glacier dog, then what is it about? I don't think it's about the oil myself but i'm always curious about what others think it is. Personally, I think it's about time. (note the play on words. ) Iraq is the middle eastern country that does not play well with others. They have never been forthright with the rest of the world, and the Hussein regime has been and always will be a repressive dictatorship. I'm all for different cultures. But when women can be jailed or shot for allowing a strand of hair to come loose from under their shrouds? I believe we should have finished Hussein off the first time. I don't think we could have found a good replacement, (look at the Taliban) but I'm sure it would have been an improvement. We are going to war to hold Iraq accountable for more than a decade of lies and subterfuge. We ARE a global community, now more than ever. And the rules need to be enforced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glacierdog Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 Star wars kicks ass. Good vs. Evil all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I’m going to have to back up a page or two here. When I first proposed that the Kuwaiti baby story was totally made up, several folks implied our government would never do that. Everyone heard the original testimony because the people who wanted it heard (the defense dept) made sure it got out in the media. And of course, later, much later, we find out it was a lie. That story got was buried on page B12. It’s called manufacturing consent. The mainstream media is little more than a dupe, parroting what the White House press office sends them. You don’t want too much dissent out there, true democracy is messy. So you have to dig to get the real story. It’s not on the nightly news, the Wall Street Journal, nor the NY Times. So if they were able to create that previous theater, what is true now? Seems like the US populace is like a bunch of bobble headed dolls. Yep, ok, yep, sounds good to me. I’m not saying military means is to always be avoided; it should be the last resort. And we probably could have avoided this in the first place. Sadam was our buddy, we gave him piles of arms and never agent technology to fight the Iranians, turned a blind eye to his using gas on the Kurds, and let US based corporations sell him early stage nuclear technology. When he went native, we had our usual knee-jerk reaction. What a surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 We ARE a global community, now more than ever. And the rules need to be enforced. WELL SAID - A GLOBAL COMMUNITY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I would like to believe that war is the manifistation of the universal battle of good against evil. The struggle for balence. But then I might watch too much star wars i like muffy's idea best and if this thing does actually happen, i am going to force myself into this belief in order to swallow it w/o gagging. everything always works out just how it should Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billygoat Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 Unfortunately, they are our rules and we are only 8% of the population of this planet. The PAX Americana is going to be a hard sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 glacier dog, then what is it about? I don't think it's about the oil myself but i'm always curious about what others think it is. Personally, I think it's about time. (note the play on words. ) Iraq is the middle eastern country that does not play well with others. They have never been forthright with the rest of the world, and the Hussein regime has been and always will be a repressive dictatorship. I'm all for different cultures. But when women can be jailed or shot for allowing a strand of hair to come loose from under their shrouds? I believe we should have finished Hussein off the first time. I don't think we could have found a good replacement, (look at the Taliban) but I'm sure it would have been an improvement. We are going to war to hold Iraq accountable for more than a decade of lies and subterfuge. We ARE a global community, now more than ever. And the rules need to be enforced. well said. I would not want to condem other women to living that life. even if it is there custom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glacierdog Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 (edited) Oops. In reply to billygoat.. Maybe so, but I think we can all agree on what BASIC human rights are. Even the UN could come to a consensus on that issues. Well, maybe not the UN.... Edited February 6, 2003 by glacierdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 It’s called manufacturing consent. The mainstream media is little more than a dupe, parroting what the White House press office sends them. You don’t want too much dissent out there, true democracy is messy. Jim, I think that your cynicism is misplaced---it should be directed at the press more than the Federal government. The last thing Colin Powell would want to have done yesterday is stand before the world with flase or tweaked evidence. On the other hand, the news media feel successful when a big story has been made. I think it matters little whether they scoop the story or actually help "make" the story (by not checking sources, jumping to conclusions, etc.) Just look at the shuttle crash to date. The recent news headlines would have you believe several versions of a conclusion about the cause of failure, although clearly NASA has made no such conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 Or like Nicolae Ceausescu. It's better if the Iraqis do it themselves. Anybody ever see the video footage of Nicholae's impromptu execution? Startling stuff. Actually Bucharest is a very neat city. And Nicholae built himself one Hell of a palace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billygoat Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I guess where I am going with all of this is that we (the human race) needs a fundamental shift in how we view our place on this planet and our relationship with each other or things will always be the same, just different clothes. Everyting is good as long as you are on top is great until you gain a little empathy. It is a short step to the bottom, and institutions and constructs that focus on the bottom line don't take the human condition into account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glacierdog Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I agree one hundred percent that we need to change how we do things. But I think that is happening right now. We are constantly working as a society to improve on what we have already. Everyone with gumption enough is fighting to correct their own personal gripe with the way things are. And if enough people agree, it happens. Granted, we've taken a step back here and there. But overall, I'm glad to be living in these times. I get to go to war next week. I have the opportunity to stike a blow against evil. And Bush is doing it. He isn't waiting for the UN to quibble their way to another resolution. He is saying, "This man must be stopped. We are going to do it." If that isn't a welcome change of pace, I don't know what is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 Robbob, I understand your point, but I think you are only partially correct. In the case of the shuttle the press is jumping on any shred. But in the Iraq case, there is a lot at stake. The feds have always manipulated the press, and in very clever ways. To suggest otherwise is, with no disrespect to you, naivie. I think Powell and other may think they are acting justly, and I think they would lie through their teeth to gain their objective, manipulate data, anything to gain public opinion. They've done it in the past and will again. The Kuwati incident I mentioned earlier is but one example. It wasn't the press that made that one up. They just took it hook, line, and sinker and ran with it. This is common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 anyone who doesn't think that the gov't uses the media to influence our opinions clearly hasn't watched enough westwing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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