allthumbs Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 explaination: hippies don't kill anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 explaination: hippies don't kill anything   you are so wrong! Hippies kill brain cells at an alarming rate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 The "new" europe gets it, do you? January 30, 2003 Europe and America must stand united  THE real bond between the United States and Europe is the values we share: democracy, individual freedom, human rights and the Rule of Law. These values crossed the Atlantic with those who sailed from Europe to help create the USA. Today they are under greater threat than ever. The attacks of 11 September showed just how far terrorists — the enemies of our common values — are prepared to go to destroy them. Those outrages were an attack on all of us. In standing firm in defence of these principles, the governments and people of the United States and Europe have amply demonstrated the strength of their convictions. Today more than ever, the transatlantic bond is a guarantee of our freedom.  We in Europe have a relationship with the United States which has stood the test of time. Thanks in large part to American bravery, generosity and far-sightedness, Europe was set free from the two forms of tyranny that devastated our continent in the 20th century: Nazism and Communism. Thanks, too, to the continued cooperation between Europe and the United States we have managed to guarantee peace and freedom on our continent. The transatlantic relationship must not become a casualty of the current Iraqi regime’s persistent attempts to threaten world security.  In today’s world, more than ever before, it is vital that we preserve that unity and cohesion. We know that success in the day-to-day battle against terrorism and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction demands unwavering determination and firm international cohesion on the part of all countries for whom freedom is precious.  The Iraqi regime and its weapons of mass destruction represent a clear threat to world security. This danger has been explicitly recognised by the United Nations. All of us are bound by Security Council Resolution 1441, which was adopted unanimously. We Europeans have since reiterated our backing for Resolution 1441, our wish to pursue the UN route and our support for the Security Council, at the Prague Nato Summit and the Copenhagen European Council.  In doing so, we sent a clear, firm and unequivocal message that we would rid the world of the danger posed by Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction. We must remain united in insisting that his regime is disarmed. The solidarity, cohesion and determination of the international community are our best hope of achieving this peacefully. Our strength lies in unity.  The combination of weapons of mass destruction and terrorism is a threat of incalculable consequences. It is one at which all of us should feel concerned. Resolution 1441 is Saddam Hussein’s last chance to disarm using peaceful means. The opportunity to avoid greater confrontation rests with him. Sadly this week the UN weapons inspectors have confirmed that his long-established pattern of deception, denial and non-compliance with UN Security Council resolutions is continuing.  Europe has no quarrel with the Iraqi people. Indeed, they are the first victims of Iraq’s current brutal regime. Our goal is to safeguard world peace and security by ensuring that this regime gives up its weapons of mass destruction. Our governments have a common responsibility to face this threat. Failure to do so would be nothing less than negligent to our own citizens and to the wider world.  The United Nations Charter charges the Security Council with the task of preserving international peace and security. To do so, the Security Council must maintain its credibility by ensuring full compliance with its resolutions. We cannot allow a dictator to systematically violate those Resolutions. If they are not complied with, the Security Council will lose its credibility and world peace will suffer as a result.  We are confident that the Security Council will face up to its responsibilities.  José MarÃa Aznar, Spain José Manuel Durão Barroso, Portugal Silvio Berlusconi, Italy Tony Blair, United Kingdom Václav Havel, Czech Republic Peter Medgyessy, Hungary Leszek Miller, Poland Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Denmark   http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,482-559907,00.html    $Kching! $Kching! $Kching! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Cracked: If you don't understand why some might feel it is generally wrong to kill people, especially when we know that a significant percentage of them are innocent, I don't think I will ever be able to explain my thoughts on this matter to you. We could go on for eight pages but there would be no point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Could someone explain their anti-capital punishment views to me? Â the goal never justifes the means. In fact the means fully condition the end result. Ergo, if you want to stop violent crime don't use violence to reach that goal (unless you are protecting life in the heat of the action). The death penalty sustains violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Bravo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Hello, Are not many of those country getting american military aid?? Â As if anyone thinks Portugal is serious world power anyways. please. would they invade spain or what? like canada invading usa, haha. Â i notice that american capital is fleeing in advance of war, to europe, mainly ireland, france, germany, former yugo. this is why euro goes up, and american dollar goes down - mismanagement of mister bush. Â its ok though, in my contract i am getting paid in euro by my company, so it means i am getting raises every day for weeks now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 I don't want to argue for eight pages, and I see your point, but in certain cases, (see above), wouldn't capital punishment be justified? How would you suggest containing such criminals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 In jail, perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Cracked- We have a lot of high-security prisons in this country. I can't remember the last time anybody escaped from one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Sounds good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Â Â !!! !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayner Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 that j-b feller say:  "the goal never justifies the means. In fact the means fully condition the end result. Ergo, if you want to stop violent crime don't use violence to reach that goal (unless you are protecting life in the heat of the action). The death penalty sustains violence. "   Dwayner say: What law of the universe is this? Although I may share some of your views (but then again, maybe not), your statement is really not much more than a trendy cliché or generalization.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Hello, Are not many of those country getting american military aid?? As if anyone thinks Portugal is serious world power anyways. please. would they invade spain or what? like canada invading usa, haha.  i notice that american capital is fleeing in advance of war, to europe, mainly ireland, france, germany, former yugo. this is why euro goes up, and american dollar goes down - mismanagement of mister bush.  its ok though, in my contract i am getting paid in euro by my company, so it means i am getting raises every day for weeks now.  Hello? Hello? Anyone listening? Hello?  Pretty slick way to move up the social ladder: Support the big guy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Dwayner say: What law of the universe is this? Although I may share some of your views (but then again, maybe not), your statement is really not much more than a trendy cliché or generalization.   not wanting to put people to death is trendy? who'd have thunk it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Dwayner say: What law of the universe is this? Although I may share some of your views (but then again, maybe not), your statement is really not much more than a trendy cliché or generalization.  then why don't you provide us with examples of how the methods or process, do not determine the nature of the outcome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Get with the fucking program gapers! Some people just plain need KILLIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Oh Trask Trask Traks, you little nincompoop. (At least you have a defense.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Good call, God ... err, Trask! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 I have no moral qualms about the death penalty. In principle it is a just penalty in certain cases. Yet I am opposed to it. I've sat on juries and I know how easily they can be bamboozed. There is no way to ensure 100% that an innocent person will not be convicted. The mere idea of killing an innocent person is abhorrent to me. I would rather have justly convicted killers escape death, and get life in prison, than have one innocent person put to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Trask may be right and some people probably do deserve the death penalty but I absolutely agree w/CBS on this one. It's not worth the life of a single innocent person to keep the death penalty in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sexual_chocolate Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 The vile stench that grows in my belly at the thought of a single innocent person being executed by the state sickens me beyond words. How could anyone condone this? Have we lost all trace of what makes us human? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Have we lost all trace of what makes us human? Â too many people have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 And if we agree that the condemned one has also lost his humanity, then how the hell does killing him in cold blood restore it? God, it sickens me beyond words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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