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tvash, I'm assuming that you're referring to me by that remark, so I'll bite that bait... Since I do not ever intend upon becoming a Muslim (or a Jew, or a Bhuddist, or a Hindi, or Zoroaster, or returning to any form of Christianity, or any other religion for that matter), the first best option of self-immersion is not open to me by my own volition. The next best option, personal observation of the source material, is also problematic for me, since I'd probably be killed within a few days for expressing any sort of contrary opinion in their host country. So I'm left with but a paltry third option, that of reading what I can about the subject material, from as many varied viewpoints as possible. Do you have some other option which I might employ to better educate my stupid fucking white moronic ass on these matters?

is bigoted nonsense, and inconsistent with your subsequent statements See my last post on the bottom of the first page of this thread. That statement was made in haste, and I thought it was harsh at the time I wrote it, and I later retracted its implied inclusivity. However, I will not retract any statement I've made previously that fundamentalists and/or extremists get a free pass from me to exhibit intolerance and violent over-reactions, to include stonings to death and pre-meditated murder. Now, to your next topic... They can look anywhere they damn well please where people are engaging in peaceful public discourse of divergent ideas. That is how truly enlightened populations work out their differences.

??? jmace, you married? Ever been? There's a difference between being led around by the nose ring by an attractive and available woman in the hopes of getting laid, and exhibiting behaviors toward your betrothed largely predicated upon matrimonial expedience and familial serenity. The difference may be minute, but it exists nonetheless. Put simply, I never cow-towed around my (now) wife when we were dating and/or engaged just to ensure that I got laid, but now I do things/have considerations for her that I never had before we got married. Sometimes, looking back, I wonder why she ever agreed to marry such a self-involved schmuck. Friends say I've grown since those days...

rob, the shirt is only funny to those of us that aren't being led around by the nose ring. For the brainless, horny, frat boys for which that is "business as usual," it's uproarious to the rest of us!

= familial-sanctioned murder This from a religion of peace and tolerance? I suppose... if you really believe that sort of thing.

two more words: female genital mutilation ooops, that's three...

I'll bet there a lot of chicks that think "like that." But at least this one's got the "balls" to post her position on the matter right "up front."

Closer to 40 for the committed or incarcerated part. Don't forget assassinated abortion doctors either. Again, you point out the intolerants/fundamentalists; the crux of my argument. Nothing new here. Again, in almost every single case, these areas of violence are begun and fueled by religious intolerance of one form or another. I never suggested that Islam was the "bad boy" for all the world's ills. This thread began as a discussion of radical Islamists plotting the death of infidels. You've hijacked it to insinuate that I believe that all of the world's problems are caused by Muslims. Shame on you. Non sequitor. You know not my political, philosophical, nor spiritual persuasions. You imply that my views are idiotic. Your location says it all...

This sentence seems to impugn all of Islam not just fundamentalists. yeah, you're right. That was a little too harsh, and is too all-inclusive. What I'm really ranting about is the fundamentalists. As others here know, I have several Muslim friends that do not think as the fundies do. My apologies, there. I would think that what we hear most about is the worst. From what I've read, there are those who consider themselves practicing Muslims that do not subscribe to the practice of female genital mutiliation, among one of the more horrific tenets, as well as many other tenets of "true" Islam. Sufism is one that immediately comes to mind. You can read about it here.

Huh, musta missed that before. It was just a touch higher than my point of focus...

Read all the way to the end, chucK... Fundamentalism and extremism in any form is unacceptable in today's world.

more like 400. Is that the (implied) admission that you were after, prole? That we Americans have had our own little problems with religious intolerance? I'm not ashamed to admit the truth. Still, it shows that most of the rest of the world, at least, has evolved and can respect alternate viewpoints.

HC, it's your attitude that pisses me off. You scoff at everything, in every post. No one's ever right but you. It becomes weary after a while. Go back and read my very first post on this thread. I mean read it. Is there any reason to take any issue whatsoever with what I posted? Did I say that my information was the be-all, end-all of where to acquire avalanche awareness skills? Did I allow for no other venue or source? Nope, didn't think so. You sure you don't want to leave this in the PMs?

"These people" are fundamentally no different than those fuhqs that wanted to kill the school teacher for letting her students name their Teddy bear "Mohammed." Remember this one? Once again, Islam, ostensibly a religion of tolerance and peace, shows it's true fundamentalist colors. No one seemed to get this irony in the thread above, so I won't try to convince anyone again. But I will say this: These motherfuckers have their heads firmly and deeply sunk into their asses, which are stuck in the Seventh Century. Islam has been called one of the world's "great religions," but it is little more than one man's way of empowering himself over his contemporaries and doing so by the sword. Mohammed literally cherry-picked the tenets of his "religion" from Judaism, Christianity and other religions of the time. Anyone who did not agree and submit was murdered in the name of Allah. With such a powerful reason to agree, converts were lining up at the local mosque to become Muslims and Mohammed was soon solidly in power and was never to release it, even 1400+ years later. His minions today have been told the lie that is Islam for so long that they believe it unconditionally. They are born into it, raised in it and are brainwashed to believe that it is their solemn duty to go out and convert the world to it. They believe it is their birthright to kill anyone who does not convert and that the laws of the various nations around the world against murder are of no consequence in the quest to turn the world to Islam. They think Islam gives them the right to murder infidels with impunity because Allah has commanded it. To make it short and to the point, for an infidel to allow the naming of a kid's Teddy bear "Mohammed", or to draw a cartoon with Mohammed wearing a "bomb-turban", is like a Christian calling Christ "that bearded homo who ran around Judea with 12 other queers." To say such a thing may be offensive to some, but anyone of a tolerant persuasion would forgive the sayer and offer to bring "the Word of God" to him. Our tolerant, peaceful, fundamentalist Muslim friends would just kill the sayer of such a thing as it compares to Islam. The former is tolerant and forgiving; the latter is neither. Fundamentalism and extremism in any form is unacceptable in today's world. Look around and become enlightened. I expect joblo will chime in here with some "peace, love, and understanding Kumbaya" shortly.

Again, no one is arguing that. I'm moving our discussion to the PM section. No one else wants to read this, and we've both stopped contributing anything meaningful to to this thread a while ago. It's all just our opinions now.

Couldn't resist this post...

Firstly, no one's arguing that conditions do not vary between regions. Secondly, no one's arguing that 2 days is sufficient for avalanche training. Thirdly, no one's arguing that you need to be a guide or in SAR. In fact, those positions are probably better filled by others than yourself, given your attitude represented in other threads upon this board. I'm just sayin'... have a nice day. :wave: :wave:

Hit the "snooze" button and keep dreamin'.

chris, You must understand that Hugh knows fucking everything. Let me reiterate: fucking everything. Hugh, you ever climb in NH? Hint: I have, and it ain't always ice, even in prime ice climbing season. So "get fucking real" your own damn self, to borrow a phrase.

Is that a bike helmet? Sweet, I'm gonna try that. Looks ultra-light! Way better than my ol' Joe Brown for ice climbering (although it's well-insulated). Oh yeah, the climbs in the Lostine River canyon in the Wallowas would have been primo a week earlier. They were coming down as we stood beneath them this past weekend. Pup_on_the_mountain took some pics. Mebbe he'll post 'em up somewhere.

Bagged on Strobach as well. In normal years, those climbs are funnels for a lot of small rocks and shit anyway. This year's cycle, it'd be like climbing Cascade in Banff right after a two-foot dump! No sense asking for trouble. I'm heading over to NE OR with POTM for a little Lostine River Canyon action. Tell Steve at TG Brewery we're stopping in afterwards! :brew:

That is so cool for Max to have found you, chirp. And you him. And thanks for supporting any no-kill shelter. Awesome!

Me? Or Squall?