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Fair enough, but since this isn't spray maybe you should more it to the climbing forum. I'm not choosing sides in the discussion, but as an observer your action looked pretty heavy-handed.

Hey Alex- I didn't see any 'spray' in this thread- dead horses, yes, but no spray. What makes this discussion different than the Fee Demo thread currently going on- or the South Side of Adams Ski Lift thread? Is every discussion about bolts automatically dumped in spray?

Any time the FS sells timber to the logging companies, the FS then goes in and builds the road for the logging companies to do their bidness. F/E, here's a link to an Alaskan group who estimates the FS spent $1 billion constructing road for timber companies. AlaskaWild Yes, you should be pissed. There are folks on this site who have a better grasp of the details than me. edit: scooped by the bigger brain of cj000xyz

It's a very valid complaint based on their history. I shouldn't have gone down that road. Government should be about something more than 'getting your money's worth.' Our government is in place to protect our freedoms, and I believe that democratic (read: free) access to public lands should be a protected liberty. I believe it is fundamental to our identity as a nation. Any fee for access to wilderness areas is an affront. Here are some other opinions: Mazamas The Access Fund Sierra Club What is the WTA's position? What is the WCC's position? Is getting 'a good deal' on parking lots and Port-a-Johns worth sacrificing the ideals of democratic access to our wild places? Holy shit. Sorry for the monster post.

Yeah, I throw in my 0.02 in spray, I'll throw some coin in for this.

welcome to the dark side, Fairweather. Glad to have you aboard!

This is how the Forest Service Claims the fees are being spent: from this link. ..although, as noted above, the GOA brings those numbers into question. Even so, only 25% of my Fee Demo money goes into trail maintenance, and another 4% into resource conservation. The rest of it goes into services I DON'T WANT. I'm being selectively taxed to pay for other people's Labor Day campsites and eyesore 'Visitor Centers'. That's a good reason to dislike it, Marylou.

Great idea. I'd consider joining the Mounties just to watch those films.

All I need is this pen...and this chair.

touche

First They Came for the Jews First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. Pastor Martin Niemöller

oh, god. and so it begins again.

He was born a poor black sharecropper...

That was a beautiful rant, Bunglehead. If we meet, the first round is on me.

aw, love. Get's me all choked up and sentimental.

Sort of how the Pope views the Mormons.

Cat Stevens was Muslim when Islam wasn't cool I remember he supported the fatwa (sp?) against Salman Rushdie back in the eighties. i'm being followed by a moonshadow.. moonshadow, moonshadow edit : I was scooped!

Cheers to a full life

I was going to post that TR later (she's still passed out and I can't lift her off the couch).

but my TOOF COUNT is zero.

Think of all the skin he could donate to burn victims. and it would be soft and tender.

Call me callous, but that's a waste of resources. Time for some triage, fatty.

What are the dates?

Cubenza?