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By the time this one wears out, they should have the fuel cell technology pretty dialed - BMW is already pushing the idea... GENERAL MOTORS IS ACTUALLY THE LEADING MAJOR CAN MANUFACTURE LEADING THE CHARGE. THEY HAVE ALREADY BUILT PROTOTYPE CARS AND FUEL CELLS.

SAD THING ABOUT HYBRIDS IS THAT THEY ARE PROLLY MORE OF A SPOILER FOR ALTERNATIVE FUELS SOURCE VEHICLES. COMPANIES SPENDING ALL THE R&D INTO A PATCH TO THE ISSUE OF RENEWABLE RESOURCES. THESE SEEM LIKE A GOOD IDEA NOW, BUT IN THE LONG RUN THEY WILL NOT BE WORTH THE MONEY. THEY WILL BE EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR AND ONE DAY BE THE ONLY FOSSILL FUEL POLLUTING VEHICLE ON THE ROAD. EITHER WAY, MISTERE..... VVVVVVVVVVVRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMMMM

DWHINER WHAT DOES ME BEING A MODARATOR HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? DOES THAT PRECLUDE ME FROM DISCUSSIONS? NOPE I DONT THINK SO. SO WHEN I SEE YOU OUT CLIMBING, I MIGHT THINK OTHERWISE. SO I STILL DO NOT SEE HOW YOUR 1970'S ETHICS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH TODAYS? THEY EVOLVE WITH THE TIME. DEAL WITH IT. I HOPE TO BOLT YOUR FAVORITE SCRAMBLES SOON!

you know the best thing about the future dwhiner, is that you wont be climbing, oh wait do you do so now? people will not be forced to listen to your jealous tirades about how sport climbing is wrong, shit man i have seen so many pitons and other types of trash that you old trad daddy left behind. get a clue.

i use pullies sometimes. sometimes just biners. i usually use my gri gri for quick adjustment and take down. 3:1 or 5:1 with the gri gri being the fulcrum. and i dont tie any knots only use wraps and bends!

i just tie rope around my neck and ski away!!!

its ePiC dude!!! remember trademarks and shit!

i can claim to always be soild on 4th class! other then that there are no promises!

i think really that both these packs are way overpriced. price should always be a factor. becuase in the end, it is not the pack, the cams, the rope or the shoes in which allows you to climb, it is you. i have a nozone in which i paid nearly nothing for. makes for a good pack. its only drawback the fabric is way lite, it gets holes in it. anyone tell you different then they dont climb. i would buy something with more long term realiability. the lighter fabrics are not this.

bummer dude.

uh fence belyed, bobbyp did all the work!

here ya go you whiner. vasaliki ridge tr robertm is the author.

my pad'ners are pretty darn cool i don't know about the epic thing, so i guess an attribute would be a partner who avoids epics! all i am gonna say is that they gotta be down!

im gonna figure it out damnit!! i am i am i am!!! then i am gonna climb there!!! in the rain!!!

necklace valley?!?!?!?!

what are your top 3 accomplishments this summer? i know i know that summer is not complete, but with this rain and some of the local trees turning colors it makes me already say goodbye to a great summer and hello to new fall adventures!!! the 3 best things this summer for me, was stuart with specialed, dead baby goat with dan and the hood to coast. all three were done in different styles and each had their seperate challenges. but when i look back this summer those are what stands out for me. i did a lot of neat things this summer and really cannot say one is better then the rest, even the faliure was still rewarding! fess up and nothing is cheastbeating!

That was in a 1971 VW camper, mind you in that case, consider it a new land speed record for vw!

i just climb ever route like it is a crag route. sometimes you plan to spend the night and other times you choose not to. i think for the majority of the cascade routes that i enjoy and climb this is best way to make it happen. i am not particualry strong or fast, but luckily i can and have gotten some pretty neat routes done in good style(for me atleast!!) and those are the ones i feel best about.

DONE IT FROM T-TOWN AT 11HRS. BUT I STOP ALOT TOO. GOTTA PEE GOTTA PEE GOTTA PEE.

we should start to attempt to cordinate on equipment and supplies. i can guarantee two coleman 2 burner white gas stoves. a cutting board and some knives and a coffee pot. and maybe a big portable awning thing.