erik

thats what i am talking about. and minx, that has little to do with the discussion. i always have fun what i am doing.

TOO BAD MOST THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE ARE ANNOYING!

Recently have been doing a fair amount of ground up adventure climbing. cleaning and trundling on lead where is needs it. digging placements out and features to help ascend. we do not scrub the lines or place anochors or leave webbing or any of that crap. my partner and i were chit chatting about this while our other one was leading and he was told by the local guidebook author that we were not doing new routes, but adventure climbing. granted we have climbed some great features, and some very cool. most of these routes are quite assecible to anyone who wants to walk a short jaunt up hill. do out routes not count because we do not rap clean them? or make our path obvious? is one required to force a route up an inobvious line, bolt an anchor before it is considered a route? an example that ws given was alot of the yoder routes in the icicle. he put them up in a similar style, just going up and climbing, not wasting time making it happy for everyone else. sometimes they were runout, sometimes they were hard. but now apprently they have gone back and started to make these routes "safe for the kids" renaming them and putting a new fa's name on the route. i think this is stupid. if a person climbs the formation or feature, in ground up style it is as valid if not more valid then a rehearsed and overly gardened route. ************************ NOTE ***************** this topic is meant for a discussion and is not intended to name anyone route, climbing location, climber, group of climbers, formation, moutain or crag. it has nothing to do with any route i have personally climbed. if you would like information on any route i have climbed, please email me or start another thread.

warrior wall upper eight mile buttress these two crags have a significatn amount of crack bolting. i was told that the bolts are placed for directionals. please see my new topic.

i certainly dont think dwhiner should be banned. but he should stick to topic where he has some knowledge. his opnion on sport climbing is jaded by the fact that he is ashamed of his climbing abilites and he sees these children climbing routes harder then he ever imagined. it is dad dwhiner has to resort to a pathetic form of fillabustering.

23 GRAND ALSO THE PRICE OF A CAR HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH IT NOW A DAYS. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE FINANCING ONE CAN GET.

The regenerative braking technology has been around for a long time, thats nothing new. I don't understand why more people don't buy the TDI VW's? They are so much more practical. A Co-worker drove his TDI from Seattle to Denver and got 57mpg averaging 78mph. Cost is less and you get more car for the money, can put a roof rack on and if you get the Jetta station wagon, a place to sleep. Does this car have a crap load of earth unfriendly batteries? The TDI's only need a battery to start the car and get about the same gas milage....

By the time this one wears out, they should have the fuel cell technology pretty dialed - BMW is already pushing the idea... GENERAL MOTORS IS ACTUALLY THE LEADING MAJOR CAN MANUFACTURE LEADING THE CHARGE. THEY HAVE ALREADY BUILT PROTOTYPE CARS AND FUEL CELLS.

SAD THING ABOUT HYBRIDS IS THAT THEY ARE PROLLY MORE OF A SPOILER FOR ALTERNATIVE FUELS SOURCE VEHICLES. COMPANIES SPENDING ALL THE R&D INTO A PATCH TO THE ISSUE OF RENEWABLE RESOURCES. THESE SEEM LIKE A GOOD IDEA NOW, BUT IN THE LONG RUN THEY WILL NOT BE WORTH THE MONEY. THEY WILL BE EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR AND ONE DAY BE THE ONLY FOSSILL FUEL POLLUTING VEHICLE ON THE ROAD. EITHER WAY, MISTERE..... VVVVVVVVVVVRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMMMM

DWHINER WHAT DOES ME BEING A MODARATOR HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? DOES THAT PRECLUDE ME FROM DISCUSSIONS? NOPE I DONT THINK SO. SO WHEN I SEE YOU OUT CLIMBING, I MIGHT THINK OTHERWISE. SO I STILL DO NOT SEE HOW YOUR 1970'S ETHICS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH TODAYS? THEY EVOLVE WITH THE TIME. DEAL WITH IT. I HOPE TO BOLT YOUR FAVORITE SCRAMBLES SOON!

you know the best thing about the future dwhiner, is that you wont be climbing, oh wait do you do so now? people will not be forced to listen to your jealous tirades about how sport climbing is wrong, shit man i have seen so many pitons and other types of trash that you old trad daddy left behind. get a clue.

i use pullies sometimes. sometimes just biners. i usually use my gri gri for quick adjustment and take down. 3:1 or 5:1 with the gri gri being the fulcrum. and i dont tie any knots only use wraps and bends!

i just tie rope around my neck and ski away!!!

its ePiC dude!!! remember trademarks and shit!

i can claim to always be soild on 4th class! other then that there are no promises!

i think really that both these packs are way overpriced. price should always be a factor. becuase in the end, it is not the pack, the cams, the rope or the shoes in which allows you to climb, it is you. i have a nozone in which i paid nearly nothing for. makes for a good pack. its only drawback the fabric is way lite, it gets holes in it. anyone tell you different then they dont climb. i would buy something with more long term realiability. the lighter fabrics are not this.

bummer dude.

uh fence belyed, bobbyp did all the work!

here ya go you whiner. vasaliki ridge tr robertm is the author.

my pad'ners are pretty darn cool i don't know about the epic thing, so i guess an attribute would be a partner who avoids epics! all i am gonna say is that they gotta be down!

im gonna figure it out damnit!! i am i am i am!!! then i am gonna climb there!!! in the rain!!!

necklace valley?!?!?!?!