erik

quote: Originally posted by specialed: [ 02-11-2002: Message edited by: specialed ] good pic special ned, i took some like that a couple weeks ago check them out jgioshgiofdgiosfhiohgiosfhogs\- thats me tearing it up dfkjghjklfhgjkhgasdjgfyuiatq3478tgr- thats my frined toby jumping djghjkfhgjkhghvjkldghjkdfvgjkfgh- both of us before we dropped in and here is the best one: flgkljfdhgjkfhgivue897y6twruihgow5uityu7%^^$

so where we gonna do it at this week????

i'll do it though i barly fall into that catagorey freshie= fresh snow

i heard they uses dynamite.... BOOM! nothing left

talk to big jon i know he has about 10 of them and what would one person need ten beer containers for......

ayce, check out the major insurance companies for a job....you might not work within your field but they generally pay okay and give you benefits thjat are quite nice

i had heard that scenic hot springs was detroyed by the power that be......

forrest one thing to note with shoulder dislocations is you should see what direction the should came out.....i had the dislocation problem for two years before i got it fixed and i learned and used several different methods for putting it back into place.... another thing to note is do not try to put a shoulder back into place unless you have skilled instruction.....i have heard of people damaging nerves and other tissues by attempting to rejoint it....... thanks for the beta though

http://www.backcountrystore.com/bear_container.htm

sayjay i took your response as stating that trad climbers do not use features....i use them all the time. my fat ass needs everything i can to get up the hardest 5.4+ route in the world.... and actually i levitate to the top of most climbs....all that gear just wieghs my soul down......

quote: Originally posted by sayjay: like real outdoor rock. Smearing skills, even if you are exclusively a trad climber, . admit it you dont know what you are talking about

quote: Originally posted by dyno merchant: I work at Vertical Relief Climbing Center in Flagstaff and we know how hard it is to clean holds and change routes but we try to make a big effort to do so. Our routes are never up for more than 3 to 3 1/2 months but we only have up to 50 routes and about 60 boulder problems (we clean holds before they go on a new route so our holds stay pretty clean also). how long do you think routes should stay up? another Q...which gyms have the best routesetting and routesetters? why? if you dont change and clean the holds then what would paying for a gym be worth???? isnt that your job to clean and set routes???? i imagine teaching someone to belay is another responsibility, but seriously what is the job of a gym worker??? you gym climbers confuse me......

i know of one suprise lake on the way to the north side of mt rainier....we used to 4x4 up there and party though i dont think you can cross the carbon river there anymore so it out of the question.. but i bet there are like 5-10 suprise lakes within the state alone..... if it scotteryx it must be up around the mtn loop.

in washington state it is illegal to climb roadcuts locate along limited or restricted access hwys....it is considered to create a hazardous situation.....along the linrs of falling rock and ice onto the hwy.... as far as county or other public roads go i imagine enforcement is less....but the law is the law

quote: Originally posted by specialed: I've heard, though haven't tried this method, of wearing a 5 gallon bucket with backpack straps attache dsomehow like a backpack to keep the slack in. I've always just let it dangle and used a clove-hitch backup to keep the weight off my solo device. Maybe someone should invent a half-backpack, half-bucket for solo aiding? hey look someone just did!!! http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/rockclimbing/accessories_speed-bag.html

special i didnt blame anyone...and you are right it is my fault that my weakass fell...... i am just bitching but one thing to consider, if you are installing fixed gear then you should be consider as many hazards as possible.......and if oyu notice i didnt say anything specific about the boltng on this route other then it made me think more about it...... i understand risk quite well since it is a major compoenent of my job...

heres the link to the course, there are no notes on the steepness of any one specific area on the courses http://saltlake2002.sonheavy.com/venues/sno/

and another thing recrim my name is spelt with a 'k' and i know that fact is painfully obvious, so you just must be some asshole.......

allison thanks for the tips, though i tend to shy away from taking most pills. [ 02-11-2002: Message edited by: erik ]

quote: Originally posted by Recriminator: Eric think it could be karma ?Blasting sport routes at vantage than getting on one .Mike Massy and Matt kerns put up that route and it never was a trad route.I have done that route and unless there is slack in your system there are no bad falls . 1st of all i was mostly pisseD cause my foot hurt too bad to go to index on sunday.... 1st of all i never blasted sport routes at vantage, all i said was that i thought there is too much development there and that maybe whom ever is removing the hangers(not chopping bolts liket everyone cries about)and the current area develops should slow down and look what they are creating....... second of all you have to believe in something(karma in this case) for it to be a concern...... 3rdly i know who put the route up and i do know people who can lead it tradtional(i want to this year) 4th there was no slack in the rope, if you look at the route and get sucked over the the right holds at the bulge you are targeted right above that mini slab, so when i fell thats what i glanced off of.... and last thing recrim....this morning beofre i came to work i managed a nice 45 minute jog, so other then the superficial pain in my foot i will be okay....so i guess i was just moslty pissed that i missed a day at index and i still think alot of the bolts out there need to be considered better....... [ 02-11-2002: Message edited by: erik ]

so i can now rage along with allison on bolt placement... yesterday at our fine eastisde basalt crag we all affectionality now as vantage....i was working my way up a fine little trad climb called cold cut combo.....funny thing is there are bolts on it??!?!?! but thats not the point...so i go clipi the 4th bolt and am getting some serious flame as i continue to miss the clip...ugh!! so i drop rope and prepare for my doom..... dr jay did a fine job catching me!! but i was still lucky enough to hit the little slab right below the bulge!!!! now my foot hurts really fucking bad and my tailbone feels like it is vibrating this morning..... now what i am bitching about is as i looked at alot of the climbs at vantage...if you fall from the second bolt you will deck...and sometimes you might hit something else..... was any of this considered when they rapp bolts these lines???? eiher way my foot really really hurts i am going back to bed!

brody0

quote: Originally posted by specialed: 1400 different colors!!!???? No way! i didnt believe it at first either, but then when i was on the mall level i snuck into a paint store and stole the color matching computer..... the game is soo cool man it is kinda like grand theft auto+ bubble bobble.... though the controllers are confusing

quote: Originally posted by allison: Yeah, uh, Tacomaboy seems to have it out for me.... hardly i am pure fun all the time.....and my mom always told me to be leary of people that you meet on the internet...... cause i am sketchy!!!!!

too bad it is the law in washington to carry chains in your vehicle is you expect to do any mountain driving between nov-mar and anyways when you have 4 wheel drive all that means i you have 4 wheels spining instead of two.....cuase the real trick is stopping not going.......