erik

quote: Originally posted by Figger Eight: Board lasted shoes like the Ace or great for long routes and cragging all day. Manufacturers are getting away from Board lasted shoes because despite the fact they edge better than slip lasted shoes, they aren't as sensitive or "performance" oriented. Since the trend nowadays is going towards gym climbing (they're making gym climbing specific shoes now...pathetic), that's where they're focusing their efforts. sorry e-dawg, i cannot agree with that statement. the manufacturs seems to see this as a more cost effective shoe and one that wears out faster, there fore requireing replacement sooner. i have worn out 2 pairs of mocaysms in about 6 months. but i have poor footwork and am weak and fat..... i do not see the tend leaning towards slip lasted shoes as a result of increased gym or sport climbing.....i climb cracks and wear slippers.... peace out!

TRY THE SPORTIVA MYTHOS OR THE 5.10 NEWTONS. i say avoid the shoes that hurt your feet. personally i see little benefit from potentially injuring yourself over a long period time, just for a little bit more performance. your shoes should never be the reasonn, you cannot send......

KATHY(CRAZYJZ) GET BENT AND I DONT GIVE FAWK WHAT YOUR DEAL IS......... DOESNT INVOLVE ME AND NEVER WILL.....HOW OLD ARE YOU, LIKE 3 OR 4??? THEN AGAIN I DOUBT YOU HAVE ATTAINED THE ABILITY NOT TO SOIL YOURSELF, SO I WILL RE-ADJUST MY GUESS AND JUST GO WITH SUBHUMAN.....

quote: Originally posted by Bug: The bolting issue is one of too few teachers in my opinion. This has already been said I know, but it is worth repeating if anyone will listen. There are a lot more climbers out there than there used to be. Many are coming out of the gyms. The number of climbers competent to teach trad leading skills is realatively small. It stands to reason that these new climbers are not all going to rush out and buy trad gear when they can't even be sure what they need, much less how to use it. So they stick to what they know which is wise and quite fun really. I enjoy an occaisional sport route. I just prefer the freedom to go where ever I want in the mountains wether there are bolts there or not. Certainly there are a lot of sport climbers who would never get into trad regardless. But my guess is that there are more who would branch out if it seemed reasonable. Whatever the case, it is very enjoyable to help someone learn how to trad climb. I think that the more of us who teach what we know about trad climbing, the more influence trad climbers will have on the bolting issue. WERD!!!! I'LL TEACH ALMOST ANYONE, WHO HAS A WILLINGNESS TO LEARN AND WILL ALWAYS TRY THEIR HARDST, BECAUSE IF YOU DO NOT TRY HOW DO OYU KNOW YOU CAN'T DO IT??? VIE VA LA' TRAD!!!

quote: Originally posted by Figger Eight: Or at the very least a prusik. same thing yo!

can you say autoblock???

dwayner, i show no personal disrespect and granted you and pope are toned down as of late, but what i am saying is that the rethoric is old. you yell and scream about the ethics, but thats it. the poeple who are doing the bolting are doing it regardless. what does that say??? there is nothing new with this tired debate. granted you are right it is an issue, but the sad thing is that it is only a ethical issues to those who care. and i do not see this newer generation caring. is this the result of the gyms?? television?? parents not parenting?? i don't know. but to try and tell someone that they are wrong because they are young and don't know is the probably the fastest way to push people away from any topic. there will and is going to have to be middle ground. where that lies i do not know. though the one thing that i know i can do to make things as best as possible is to make sure that i follow what i believe and know to be right....

jake, harsh tokes what failed man??? you say nothing??? was it his issue??? or actual equip failure??? erik

some intelligence in this debtate!!!! yes crack there are many many anchors that need to be replaced throughout washingont....alot of burdo's come to mind(not saying they are dangerous, i ust look at them as suspect!!!) i would think that more and more we need to address this as an issue opposed to some far out person's opinion on whgat bolts are right and which are wrong....cus no one knows which ones are right or wrong..... ethical putrsits and rap bolters alike are the same person......head up their ass morons....rap bolter(which i generally oppose) and ethical purists(which i generally oppose) are more into waiting to talk then listening and creating a positive position moving diatribe. share your opinions, but i would say anyone person is far from being right or wrong, though all the extremists are wrong...... ethics do change and are going to continue changing after we are dead and forgotten. this is soooo evident between everything. for instance lets use musics as a reference point. we all like music and it spans many many genera's. black sabbath. 70's satanic band with lyics that made parents cringe and made teens angry with misguided/unwarrnted crys for the devil!!! as a deity. though there were (as far as i know) no direct admittance or support of the devil out right nor were there 3,284 swear words per song. still bad stuff?!?! their parents were sicked.....these same kids granted have grown older and wiser and music has adapted to their ideals in someways(media drivin of course) and evolved. this type(black sabbath) was not accpeted and feared. now a daze listen to rage against mthe machine. same general tone....fawk u!!! but now there is no avoiding the fact that the aggression and hate are right there.....they no longer skirt the issue, but tackle it outright, telling one that as long as the side the others they will pay and the word fawk is used like every fawkin word. this is music evolution(abridged and hacked) so we see that everything sacred and not sacred changes neither for the better or for the worse. and i say that because better or worse is debatable and truthfully in my opinion a waste of energy. why worry about things that have little baring in the real world??? granted bolts and anchors are real clmbing world issues, but selfish ones. the oblter is selfish and the bolt chopper is equally as selfish. i say concentrate on making things better and crowbars and attitudes are 180 degrees the oppsosite. so instead of waiting to to talk, listen open your mind to a possible new idea that may or may not help you better you or your situation. dennish, retro, dwayer, pope and all the other conservatives shoud shut up. we have heard their tired diatribe and in some ways i feel that theur continual tired banter takes away from contructive thinking in this situation. i am not advocating bolting or chopping i am advocatinv reason, none to which i have seen displayed on this subject in sometime. erik climber, bolter, chopper, crack climber, aid climber, ice climber, sport climber, beer drinker, happy person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

D-DAGW IS TECHNICALLY RIGHT, IT IS TACOMA'S TURN.... GRANTED I AM NOT SURE IF I WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE IT, BUT TECHINICALLY IT IS TACOMA'S TURN...... AND MATTP POINTED THAT OUT THIS PAST WEEKEND..... THOUGH IN SEATOWN BEST REPEAT VENUE IS ALKI!!!!!!

quote: Originally posted by freeclimb9: Erik I don't mean to cheapen the US mens victory over Mexico. To reiterate what I said about the US mens team, "They're dangerous, fast, and a proven giant-killer". Their play was great, but their coaches knowledge of how to play the players was masterful. werd!!!!!!!!!!!!!

feeclimb your post cheapens the excellent play, by the us team. the played the mexico team like they wanted to beat them and they did. the mexican team was/is a bunch of hack premadonnas and that was evident in theur play. oh by the way good job on your survival of ptaramgin ridge. will we go all the way??????!!!!!!!!

wopper, i agree lotsa running downhill is hard on your knees. i bet you are older then me too, so i can only still fathom your issues(knock on wood!!) i walk down hill alot, becuase of the reason you state, but i also run downhill too. it helps devlop some of the muscles in different ways(help courtney!?) reihnhold messner also walked down most hills after running up there..... they are obviously more benefits for slogging if you run up hill.... sorry i couldn't help

pt defeiance park in tacona twin falls state park in north bend middle fork snoq river trail my si rattlesanke ledge snow lake out of alpental any trail.......

yo mama is sooo fat that trask dates her......

godspeed yo!andhavesomefunanddontforgetsunscreenandtakelotsapicturesanddonteatyellowsnow!!!!!!!

quote: Originally posted by haireball: new-age sport-route = bolt ladder = why bother?

i am an equal oppertunist. i will drink it all!!! snobs...sheesh!!!

quote: Originally posted by mtnrgr: tommorrow he is trying to overthrow the government. is that tommrow?? sheeit i better get the oil changed in the tank.......

line up some kayaks and go out on the water with a hot chick!!!! and bring beer too!!!

what are crampons???

stoopid troll

i always have a can or two of buswiser in my pack....well worth the weight!!! also dehydrated food is extremly inefficent....you need too much water to process....but either way eat away or i'll have seconds!!!! but no sharing my beer!!!!

i do not think there is a consensous in places likes leavenworth. there cannot be. i say this, because it has been developed over many many many years with many parties putting up routes. there are periods in which certain styles prevail. places like smith rocks and other highly managed areas have a perceived consensous. aka govenment oversite.... and i actually believe that one of the routes you mention darren has been done with natural gear lead in the 80's and none the less, by a WOMAN!!! and sheeit i cannot even tr it....