erik

quote: Originally posted by cappellini: WATCH YOUR STEP SOFTY...ITS A DANGEROUS WORLD OUT THERE if i were afraid of short people, you would be my nightmare!!!!

quote: Originally posted by cappellini: i SPOKE WITH THE TECHNICIANS WHO BRAGGED OF RAPPING DOWN THE CLIFF AND OBSERVING THE NESTS IN 2000, EITHER THEY WERE FULL OF SHIT OR THEY NEVER GOT A CHANCE TO BRAG TO RAT...EITHER WAY THE DISTRICT RANGER WILL CLOSE IT PERMANENTLEY IF PEOPLE DON'T STAY AWAY...DON'T BE SILLY, MIDNIGHT IS AN INSIGNIFICANT PILE..... LATEST NEWS...THE ENTIRE AREA IS BOOBYTRAPPED VIETCONG STYLE...THE DEVICES ARE INTENDED TO MAME, INJURE, AND TO KILL IN A SLOW AND PAINFULL MANNER.......I HAVE ALSO HIRED A BAND OF MERCINARIES TO LIE IN WAIT AND INSTALL EXPLOSIVE DEVICES (MOB STYLE) IN CAVEMAN'S VEICLE....WHEREVER THEY FIND IT PARKED...EVEN IF IT SHOWS UP AT MY HOUSE.... this guy is full of shit!!!! probably some east coaster who thinks he's got it figured out....go back the east coast.....east coaster...don't even get me started on some real harsh like language.

i hear you drul. the feeling of acomplishment is great and in some aspects that is what i climb for as well. though i think the best part of climbing is the entire experience. from the approach intial intoxicated shit talking, to the actual planning, to the slog all the way to the drive home. i try to always find the best part of it all and focus on that. certainly there is always difficult parts and scary parts, but they are only parts. if we all climbed solely for the sense of accomplishment then we might be let down more often and even leave a bad taste for it in our mouths..... i climb for fun and try to make it that way always. i like to make sure everyone i climb with is having fun as well..... so yes the sense of accomplishment is great, but haing fun regardless of your outcome is even better!! good topic!!

SO LUCKILY I DONT HAVE TOO MANY ALLERGIC REACTIONS TO MUCH. THE POISON IVY IS WAS LOCALIZED AND THERE ARE ONLY 3 SMALL BLISTERS...I WENT SWIMMING RIGHT AFTER WE WERE DONE IN THE BRUSH..... THEY DONT REALLY ITCH AND ONLY HURT WHEN I DRAIN THE BLISTERS..... I AM SOOO EXCITED TO WEAR SHIN GUARDS TONITE...CUZ ALONG WITH THE IVY BLISTERS I HAVE A LEG LONG CUT ON THE SAME SHIN!!! SHOULD BE FUN!! least i only have 2 games tonite.

quote: Originally posted by Dru: now that is obscene. i would expect something like that from crazy bob or trask....but not you drul....what would the quenn say??? too many more things like that and this thread is gone!!!!

cuz fern is awesome.... hows bolt coming??? almost got it???

quote: Originally posted by jkrueger: I would even go so far as to say that climbing is better than sex! Climb safe! UH OH.... I MUTTERED THIS STATEMENT ONCE...FOUND MYSELF CLIMBING ALOT MORE, TILL I COULD TALK MY WAY BACK INTO GOOD TERMS....

SK, I KNOW BUT STILL...................

quote: Originally posted by cappellini: wow a sizeist boy with bubbies? you must hate skinny people too.......... CALL ME A HYPOCRITE IF YOU WILL, BUT I GOTTA HAVE SOMETHING TO PLAY WITH!!!! AND YES I DO!!!

quote: Originally posted by sk: It's a problem of weastern thaught. More, Bigger, Better. I have been stuggeling to learn to be unatached to the outcome of anything. If I hit the top great, if not, hopefuly i learned something along the way. If people like me, great, If not... oh well. It works in any circumstance. I believe that the idea is to enjoy the experience. Because that is all this life realy is, is a bunch of expeirences." nothing is good or bad, as thinking makes it so" I don't remember who said that. SORRY TO SAY THIS SK, BUT THAT IS THE POTHEADS OUTLOOK!!! HAHAHAHAHA

quote: Originally posted by Son of Caveman: From the WTA Trip Reports Managed to shove 3 pebbles up my hands under the skin. Still not sure what to do about them. Hmmmmm. STERALIZE YOUR HAND THEN STERALIZE THE BLADE. TAKE TWO SWIGS OF OLE' GRANNDAD. AND START CUTTIN EM' OUT. ONCE YA GET THEM OUT. TAKE TWO MORE SWIGS OF OLE GRANDAD AND THE SPLASH ALITTLE ON THE WOUND. DONT SEAL UP TILL DRY. SHOULD BE GOOD IN A FEW DAZE.

2 rope teams, moves much faster....

I'VE QUIT the myth OF USING 2 PAIRS OF sox and most of the other crap. dave parker showed me how to tie my shoes 2 winters ago and i have never had a foot problem since. and my boots for the 1st couple years used to make my heels into hamburger...one time so bad that i walked barefoot for a couple miles after we bailed cuz my feet were so messed up. i do not lace the upper 2 eyelets on the ankle portion of the boot. works miracles!!!! i wear tennis shoes unless i absolutly have too.....i can even get crampons on on them...it hurts though....but i am getting some new micro/tech boots from my roomate pretty quick and they should be awesome!! i say try everything and then try nothing..sometimes it worx better

YOU WILL DIE!!! GOOD LUCK!!!

quote: Originally posted by Peter Puget: With regard to the unfreed roof: I say hey if it can be free with bolts, bolt it. PP so after you bolt that thing and free it. and i come by and free it with gear. you going to remove the bolts or am i???? and i think it is a chimmeny they are talking bout'!! one of my fav! features!!!

thanks everyone....cept greg, but he is worthless! i also found this too...anyone know where i can get some??? http://www.bio.umass.edu/immunology/poisoniv.htm In the southern Appalachians and in much of the eastern U.S., there is a plant remedy that works very well. Jewel Weed comes in two varieties, with a yellow flower (Impatiens pallida) or with an orange flower (Impatiens capensis). The great thing about Jewel Weed is that it often grows right next to Poison Ivy and is fairly common along roadsides. This plant is a well-known folk remedy for P.I. and has no reported side-effects. The juice of the Jewel Weed can be extracted from the stems or leaves, preferably before flowering, but it seems to work at any time. If you are out in the woods and realize that you have exposed yourself to Poison Ivy, and are able to find Jewel Weed, you are in luck. Crush the stems of Jewel Weed to extract the juice and apply it to the area affected by The P.I. or, apply a poultice of the crushed leaves to the area. The juice is somewhat sticky and will stay where you put it pretty well. Some folks have said that tea made from Jewel Weed works as a preventative. To keep a reserve supply on hand, the best idea seems to be to save the juice as ice cubes to rub on the infected area. Shred leaves and roots and place in boiling water for 15 minutes to half an hour, then freeze the liquid in ice cube trays. Jewel Weed relieves the itching, stops the spread and helps to heal the Poison Ivy rash. We have found Jewel Weed to be the best remedy of all, even better than prescription products.

File Code: 2300 Date: June 4, 2002 Dear Forest User: Thank you for your recent expression of concern about snowmobiles on Mount St. Helens. We serve a variety of visitors to the mountain, especially for winter recreation. A mix of visitor expectations has generated a number of issues over the years, and we continue working to seek harmony with our service. In 2000, more than 250 people attended a public meeting and recommended changes to improve the safety of those who recreate at Marble Mountain and Cougar Sno-Parks. This resulted in establishment of new speed limits and lowering other speed limits in areas shared by skiers and snowmobilers. We also are periodically monitoring snowmobile noise levels at the Sno-Parks. Snowmobiles are allowed on Mount St. Helens through the Monument’s Comprehensive Management Plan. They are prohibited above 4,800 feet in elevation (essentially the Loowit Trail) between May 15 to October 31, through a Forest Order (CFR Order R-90-007). Snowmobiles are allowed above 4,800 feet during the remainder of the year and can travel legally to the crater rim. Snowmobiles are not permitted within the restricted area north of Mount St. Helens (in the crater and the Spirit Lake Basin). Snowmobilers are not required to have permits to travel above 4,800 because the landscape is protected by snow. The permit system for climbers, as called for in the Comprehensive Management Plan, was developed to administer mountain climbing within the carrying capacity of the resource and to provide users with information on specific hazards. As a resource protection measure, requiring climbing permits has worked well and has distributed climbing use over the entire week rather than concentrating it on weekends. Although climbers are required to have permits year-round, climbing fees are only charged between April 1 and October 31. The daily limitation runs from May 15 through October 31, when the mountain is less protected by snow. Snowmobiliers, while not required to have a permit or to pay a climbing fee, pay taxes upon purchase of their snowmobiles that contribute to a recreation fund. They also buy Sno-Park passes that help pay for plowing of the State-funded Sno-Parks. Snowmobile registrations are valid October 1 through September 30. Snowmobilers pay a $25 annual fee which includes one Sno-Park permit (an automobile parking permit required at designated Sno-Parks) for each registered snowmobile. The number of concerns raised between climbers and snowmobilers on Mount St. Helens has increased in recent seasons, for several reasons. 1. The number of early season climbers appears to have increased in the past few years. Page 2 2. The capabilities of snowmobiles have increased, allowing snowmobilers to go farther and climb higher than before, increasing the opportunity for interaction between users. 3. Overall demand for winter recreation opportunities at Mount St. Helens has increased to the point that parking lots are now filled to capacity, sometimes as early as 7:30 a.m. 4. The large amount of snowfall received in recent years has stayed on the ground later in the season. 5. Many climbers plan trips before the limited-use season begins May 15. To see how climbing fits into winter recreation, it's interesting to look at recent use data for the Marble Mountain Sno-Park, November 1 through May 14. Even though climbing use is low compared to other winter uses, Mount St. Helens is still one of the most frequently climbed peaks in the United States. Percentage of winter recreation use at Mount St. Helens: Snowmobilers: 68 percent Skiers/Snowshoers: 30 percent Climbers: 2 percent (mostly in April and May) As you will note, climbing is a minority winter use, but one that benefits from snow plowing funded through the Washington State Parks winter recreation program. Funds are generated through the registration of snowmobiles and the sale of Sno-Park permits. The motorized program (snowmobile program) pays for 68 percent of snow-removal cost, and the non-motorized program (sale of Sno-Park permits to skiers, snowshoers, and climbers) pays for 30 percent. Climbers, skiers, snowmobilers, and snowshoers are all welcome on Mount St. Helens. Our job is to ensure safe opportunities for all. The Monument’s Comprehensive Management Plan directs the Monument Manager to “monitor and regulate this use” to protect the resource and reduce user conflicts. We appreciate your comments and thoughts as we continue to review our policies and seek even better ways of managing limited resources for a growing population. Your input helps us do that. Thanks again for writing. Sincerely, /s/ Claire Lavendel CLAIRE LAVENDEL Forest Supervisor Enclosures: News Release of December 19, 2000 cc: Cliff Ligons, MSHNVM In response to E-mail messages, letter E-mailed to the following: For Immediate Release December 19, 2000 Contact: Jim Nieland 360-247-3900 New Rules Now in Effect at Mount St. Helens Sno-Parks VANCOUVER, WA - With the winter recreation season opening at Mount St. Helens, several new rules are now in effect at the Marble Mountain and Cougar Sno-Parks at Mount St. Helens. The Sno-Parks, located north of Cougar, Wash., on the south slopes of Mount St. Helens, are popular winter recreation areas. Last year more than 76,800 snowmobilers, cross country skiers and other winter recreationists used these Sno-Parks. The parking lot at Marble Mountain often fills by 8 a.m. on winter weekends. The log cabin snow shelter at Marble Mountain, with its warming stove and tables, is a popular resting place for sledders and skiers. New this year:  A speed limit of 10 mph for snowmobiles and vehicles in the parking lots.  A speed limit of 25 mph for snowmobiles on Forest Road 83 east from the parking lot to the first Sasquatch Trail.  A speed limit of 25 mph for snowmobiles on Forest Road 8100 from nearby Cougar Sno-Park to Forest Road 830, and from Road 830 to Climbers Bivouac; also on the first half-mile of Forest Road 8312.  A speed limit of 25 mph for snowmobiles on snowmobile trails designated with speed limit signs.  Noise limits for snowmobiles in the parking lots and on the trails will be enforced. The state limit is 78 decibels at 50 feet. In addition:  No smoking or overnight camping is allowed in the Marble Mountain snow shelter.  No animals are allowed in the shelter except for assist dogs.  The rental season for the shelter has been shortened to June 15 through November 1 to allow climbers and others to use the parking lot while Climbers Bivouac is closed by snow.  The summer rental rate for the Marble Mountain ski shelter has been increased to $100 per night.  A new parking lot at Marble Mountain is partly complete and available to single vehicles only; no trailers permitted. The new lot, which holds 65 vehicles, should be complete by next season. [ 06-04-2002, 11:14 AM: Message edited by: erik ]

there is a place in cashmere, that might still rent them. it is called northwest outdoor pursuit. ask to demo it might be cheaper and you could probably get one of the new ones. sealing yourself into tupperware and going down a river is kinda fun but real dangerous. becareful. dont tell them i sent you

i have already washed myself and most of my gear. the puss in the blisters does not carry the oils, which cause the rash. so i can i scratch to my hearts content and i have to use my hands when i piss....

i hate that shit. i got some this weekend. son of a bitch. yoi wanna talk about me being in a bad mood now!!! after all these years it has caught up with me. least it is localized. i hate poison ivy.... s.o.b. anyone got an old remedy that their grandma uses?? [ 06-04-2002, 10:00 AM: Message edited by: erik ]

quote: Originally posted by Rodchester: I'm with caveman on this one... Though I will say that SOMETIMES rescues amount more to a chance tyo use all of the bright shiney new equipment than anything. What I am saying is that too often they use things / equipment and materials they doidn't really need to use...often risking lives and property when not needed. Of course it is hard to guage what is nended and it is better to bring extras and not need them than not bring enough. My bigest question on the Mt. Hood thing is: Why was the helo there at all? Why weren't the snowcat and snowmobiles up there? Couldn't they do the job with out the risk of a helo on thise slopes? Obviously I don't have all of the info...and I really hate second guessing the rescuers on the ground. I'm not saying it was wrong to bring the helo there...just asking why the snowmobiles and snow cat weren't used first? YOU KNOW i was driking beer last night with some homies. and they were up skiing on hood that day. they also happend to be pro ski patrollers and emts. they ended up voulenteering to ski with a sled and victim from hogsback to the lodge. said it was a bitch!! 6000ft sled ski with package is way hard work..... they drank for free

quote: Originally posted by Greg W: Movie release could coincide with the announcement of the partnership of Prana and Victoria's Secret to market the Miracle Climbing Top and Climbing Thong with Britney doing endorsements. actually greg, i have the copyright on that. will you please contact my attny rodchester on any possible infringment of my fantasties.... plus we are trying to take the stickey out of stickey rubber......maybe jon, timm@y and chase could help.....

glad they had the editor for outside ragazine...helpin out with the talk today.... i didnt hear much, but was little impressed with it... oh well.....

quote: Originally posted by Dru: [/qb] Not 2000 feet.... rrrrrreally, you mean Beckey is lying or something we better sue him

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: geordie get your ass in gear and start making more tickets to fund the road maintenance you gaper Then I will come and send a mountain up there this summer whilst drinking heavily without a permit to camp. See if you can find me CAMO AND SF TACTICS ARE NOT ALLOWED RAY!!! NO AMBUSHING OF THE RANGERS...THEY ARE THERE TOO HELP...US...?!