layton

I thought you were a dirtbag climber! Look at that nice couch with even cushions and the carpet, there's no beer stains or blood??? New shoes? A girlfriend? Nice backpack. Dude!? WTF!?!?

1st I'd like to start this with an: Ode to my Red Alien O! Red Alien You are what I grab first in desperate times. You always place true, with your four lobes engaged soft metal to set up your home inside the steep cracks where you never stray or walk far from there and when I fall you are there to catch me. You are the one that I love best. Anyway, there was some good debate on this site in scattered forums and threads about aliens vs. zeros. Discuss what sizes you like of each and why one's better. I have never used zeros so I don't know. As far as sizes for aliens, red's the biggest I like, but the best too. Wouldn't you rather have softer metal on your smaller pieces to keep em from ripping out?

Wow, that was a rant. I'm gonna regret writting that later on I'm sure. I'll keep it up though, I've said worse. It's all this studying....it's getting to me.

NOLSe has very good points! However, I re-ead Skyclimb's original post and if he isn't using too muvh hyperbole, then I would have to agree that the employees or whoever threw him out were way over the line. I know skyclimb, and can't imagine him yelling at anyone so I bet he was just inflating the story a bit. It didn't sound like a safety issue if they were that strict- then it's more of a customer issue. A climber expects to be treated like a climber at a gym, and SHOULD BE!!!! It's very demeaning to a climber to be treated like a fucking gumby punter. I've worked at climbing gyms and it is very easy to tell who is an idiot and needs to be yelled at for saftey, and who can be given a little slack in the rules. If I told Tffany cambell, Paul Van Betting, or Wendell Broussard at the gym I worked at in Vegas to leave b/c they didn't have 2 spotters in the cave, i should be FIRED. I'll tell you what the problem is = the EMPLOYEES are PUNTERS. Yup, most climbing gyms hire non-climber wanna be idiots (Not the PRG, however) who give b.s. beta and spray like they were gods. I cringe sometimes when I hear a climbing gym employee LOUDLY mention to fellow employees about what "cams" to buy, or how cool the "Tooth" was and how run out "Skip em' or Clip em" was at Vantage. They should be kicked out of the gym. Prime example: YMCA in bellingham. I want go in there with a sack-o'-cams and whip those morons upside the head. I hope the PRG, or Desert Rock Sports doesn't go this way as they are good gyms that respect climbers. Also, NOLSe, for being such a saftey conscious person, I have a hard time believing that you constantly look over your shoulder at the rock gym, or wear your helmet in the parking lot. If you want to be safe, wear it while you drive cuz that's where it will most likely wind up saving your life (although I wear my helmet too, i don't at smiff cuz i want the prana grilz to not laugh at me anymore). If it were my world then climbing gyms would first and foremost be about training for climbing. Not a neat thing to do for a pedestrian to do on a sunday, or a fun birthday party!, or a neat way to show off your new purple nalgeen with your REI capri leggings that soo match your purble teardrop backpack, or a therapy aide, or ESPECIALLY those f@ckin' group-hugging, human-knot tying, name gamming, trust-building, teamworking, group dynamic, de-briefing, leadership traing, Outward bound folks...or worse NOLS folks!!!! I once sold a pack of smokes, 2 rolls of T.P., and a 1/2 finished mickey of Rye to an entire Group Solo on a NOLS course for all their candy and snacks. I bet they all got a SERIOUS debriefing when they got back.

I cut my shoes at that exact spot purposely to accomodate my wide feet.

he was Linus's little brother who was good a breakdancing and wore a red beret and baggy pants and hung out with Dwayne and Rog'.

That was fucking amazing!!!! (although i wasn't all gay on the french dudes like cracked)

I'm the little redhaired girl

My buddy has the guide, but not the bouldering guide. If you make your way to smiff in the next 3 weeks, let me know. if not, no big deal, I know lots of places anyway. Glad to have you back.

That line may is very true, but it has been tainted by overquoting by people who are full of shit. Using that quote in this respect is just a way for someone to be self--rightous. To further deflate your balloon, I heard from several sources that Alex Lowe was a dick. There is no best climber, there will always be someone way better than you, although it certainly isn't the mounties. I also believe that most of the newbie use of the word "fun" is only a mask to hide the fact that they realize the sport they thought was gonna be cool, turns out to be painful, shitty, dead-ending, and meaningless. We make fun cuz they try sooo hard to make it look like they're enjoying themselves... ...It's like the 1st day of work when your super nice and cheerful when you're really scared and want to go home and you realize there's no way your gonna be working this crappy jop 5 years from now. The BEST climbers stick through it regardless, for their own reasons, FUN being one maybe, but most I'll wager stick with it reasons other than fun.

i hear it's overhyped

it would be a very good candidate for a solo. just follow a team down on the descent if your nervous.

Dammit, I need to stick around pdx this weekend to study at night. quit tempting me.

Props on the price info. It's worth a hike back there for the scenery, however! Beckey's nooksack tower route would be a better choice for back there that time of year!

thanks for that info!!!!

If your gonna do chrimson, I suggest walking in from the road before dawn to get on route OR better yet, leave you car at like 3pm. Crack of noon club is the best way not to wait in line.

I think Sysiphus(sp?) on Goat wall should be added, along with some of the newer routes in Darrington.

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So are these ballons supposed to make our 100lb packs lighter?

Boy, I bet you're glad the guidebook author wasn't around to yell at.

Although I'd love to rub sausages with you guys at Tilly Jane, I would rather climb something.

Retarted people always seem so happy and nice too.

yeah, you are a Looo ooo oo ooser! I'm not going to your slideshow now.

If you are in pretty good shape, can lead WI2+, and are savy on mtn/glacier stuff(weather,crevasses,1st aid, etc) then just go do it. You don't need a training climb, it would be a good 1st alpine ice longish route. It's pretty easy, just long.

start bitching! this is way to supportive for this website. losers: speak up and complain! I'll start. You suck for not picking my photos. End debate.