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I think tying into the waist and leg loops is safe enough for anyone... loved or unloved. The person you ran into at the crag was either an instructor or a recent grad of the mounties or some equivalent group. I run into folks like that now and again. It's best to either ignore them and make fun of them later or else make fun of them to their face if the mood strikes you.

So where is the Two Bells?

Chuck...you don't have to be on drugs to appreciate cool looking trees. Poop. You've missed my point which is that destruction of vegetation is in many cases worse for the overall environment than bolting. It takes hundreds of years for soil to form and build up on ledges and cracks, and it takes longer for bonsai trees to grow. In the same time period I bet the natural weathering processes that effect rock will remove most if not all traces of bolting.

I kind of think that the damage bolts do to rock has a minimal environmental impact compared to the damage climbers do to cliffside vegitation. I know we've discussed this before, and I know that vegitation moves back into an areas on the west side that climbers neglect, but an old stunted tree like the one I'm talking about would take hundereds of years to regrow and get all funky and cool looking.

So we did some climbing at Mt Erie today. I lead a pitch that ended up at a ledge with this cool half dead juniper. Instead of tying off the tree I clipped a nice new set of bolts. In my view the bolted station is reducing the impact of humans on this tree. There's such a big deal placed on how bolts screw up the rock, but all things considered these bolts are actually improving the environment.

I can see where Bob's coming from. Take thin fingers. On top rope Thin Fingers seems pretty easy, yet it's much harder on lead. The main point that I would disagree with you Bob is that the learning curve clipping bolts is much gentler than the learning curve placing gear on a trad route. If you're good at placing anchors on a trad climb then grades may very well be a wash between trad and sport.

As far as Trad climbing goes. Chimney Rock is fairly close by and that's crack central. Day skiing around Schwitzer and White Water are super duper. I've never been to 49 degrees N, but I bet that could be fun. There's bc skiing around. I would agree that the urban scene probably sucks, but I'm sure you could find some fun in town stuff.

So you're saying it's too advanced for you.

I'm afraid I forgot about the show till shitacowski ask me if I was going there. It was too late by then as I'd made other plans. Plus all these UW shows always sound like they're for students and if you ain't one your chances of getting in are slim.

You guys want to see some fucked up shit I'll show you my big toenail sometime. I've also got bald spots on my shins that never grow hair. What's up Paul!

I have a double rack of camalots, and I see a lot of other folks with camalots.

This morning I made a bulk download into my toilet.

There's no I in team but there is an m e

So don't buy em if you don't like them.

Hmmm, I believe the water at the picnic area is well water not CR water...maybe not.

Me neither, but there's plenty of good water to be had that flows out of spigots in the park.

I almost never do anything to water. Normally I make a judgement call on how much human activity goes on where the water I'm planning on drinking comes from. I have yet to find anywhere in the Cascades where I could not get water that I'm willing to drink. Maybe I'm lucky or immune to nasty stuff. My system's worked so far...

Too many

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I don't think too much of folks who appoint themselves experts. Nowadays thought there's a lot of demand for content because of the internet and all. It's only natural that there are lots of new opportunities for folks like Marylou and Beck.

Do nodders taste better with steaksauce?

Would that be the artist formerly known as Beck? Artist formerly known as

I feel your pain.

I must say I love steaksauce

How come my profile shows that I'm ignoring Marylou, but all of a sudden I can read her posts. However in the case of this thread I'd gladly stop ignoring her just so I can witness an idiotic battle to the death between Marylou and Beck.