AlpineK

I climbed the ultimate everything. I'm not as grumpy as Glasgowkiss, so I thought it was alright but not spectacular. Sunday we were dehydrated and didn't do much.

You're way behind the times there pal. Fremont used to be a bit of a freakshow, but now it's corporate yuppyville. Also Ramuta does a better resole job. I miss the old Fremont.

Don't be such a wanker Josh. Tex climbs hard, and he wants to do a hard route. Do you think he wants to blow a bunch of money and time only to discover that his climbing partner only leads 5.8 on a good day? Good luck Tex!

Actually congress did hold hearings after Pearl Harbor.

A day late and a dollar short once again.

I've fallen and I can't get up.

Mid 20s is good milage for a SUV. If the fleet milage goes up that's a good thing. I've had some bad experiences with former employers Fords, so I don't think I'd trust Ford with anything as cutting edge as a Hybrid. What I really want is a hybrid diesel Isuzu F series; about 25,000 GVW will do nicely.

Can you get it anywhere other than Trader Joes?

I wasn't being all that serious. There are a number of things that can be used for pulp. For structural stuff cottonwood is a possibility. As I think you pointed out pine from the SE is used quite a bit. I believe pine from the SE can outcompete anything from a NW tree farm since the growing season is longer down there.

Hemp is the answer.

Depending on the situation you don't have to build roads. Most of Icicle canyon was logged after the burn in the 90's with helicoptors. You are right Josh that logging companies end up taking big healthy trees so they can make money. If they were truely thinning the forest they would only cut trees that have little to no economic value. I don't know if there is a good way out of the situation. It would cost a lot for a true thinning opperation and because of the overgrowth letting some forests burn would mean all the trees in those forests would burn.

I'm pro forrest fires unless someone wants to pay me to thin.

I think 3/4s of Americans don't even know where England is.

Can we please get back on subject.

It's probably a good thing that they're going to reduce sulfer in off road diesel, but I'm kind of sad. I love the smell of off road diesel; I'll miss it.

I just want to say after watching the Merv Griffin show a few times as a young sprout. You suck Merv

Would that be the Feltcher special???

I'm still waiting for my firewood powered VW Beetle.

I think it's silly to be so anti, "sport," climbing like Pope is. I remember a time when places like Castle Rock were a zoo on the weekends and today there are way more climbers then there were in the late 70s. Sure if all the, "sport," climbs got chopped some climbers would quit, but like Dick said there would be giant line ups on a lot of, "trad," routes. Furthermore Pope's whole reasoning breaks down when you start looking at old bolt ladders like Town Crier or the EB of SEWS. If we're chopping bolts shouldn't we chop those routes an teach that, "murderer of the possible," Fred a lesson? On the other hand there has been a lot of abuse by some route setters. I recently did a route on Duty Dome that had at least 5 bolts placed right next to cracks that anyone with a reasonable rack and experience could easily protect. For me it boils down to this. I don't give a shit whether a bolt is placed on lead or rappel. I like Solid bolts that are placed to provide a decent amout of protection for a route and where the clips are at natural spots for someone climbing the route. I dislike Bolts next to cracks Excessive bolting Bolts placed at unnatural spots on a climb Shitty drilling and placement Bolted routes that are obvious squeeze jobs. I think we as climbers should try and practice minimal impact but not zero impact. Possibly if this WCC gets going they could come out with guidlines for new routes and possibly some kind of approval process for new routes.

Fuck the metric system.

Just remember that it was Reagan that eliminated the U. S. Metric Board and cancelled its funding which likely prevented mainstream America ever going metric. Well that's one thing to praise Reagan for.

Somebody is going to have to explain the phone to him over and over. Also his driving is really going to go to hell now.

I'm putting $5 on Donini.