Pete_H

I disagree. With sport climbing you can just gun it in-between bolts and if you get really pumped its not hard to clip a bolt and keep going or clip it and fall. If you get wicked pumped when climbing on gear its way harder to stop and fiddle in a good piece of gear. That said, if talking about climbing clean splitter cracks at the crag, you have a point. But that's not always the case.

If you do it early season enough I like the Sherpa Glace descent and out Mtnr's Creek.

Innocuous personal insults are out but hijacking every thread having to do with sport climbing is OK? Interesting logic.

30% Really? So a pair of this or last year's top of the line ski boots or ice tools in excellent condition used a couple times should be sold for 30% of retail? What ever.

We all know alpinism is the most bad ass. But most alpinists these days, like Steve House, train by clipping bolts.

Again, hard to say what is meant by "top." DOE, for example, has the potential to be one of the raddest free climbs anywhere, but it is still dirty as shit. GP is such a stellar route. Not only because the pillar itself is clean splitter granite, but because it is trully alpine. Its a long committing full-mountain route involving a steep glacier with objective danger. The climbing definitly isn't as hard as the other routes described here though.

That's a good deal. My Zeuss's (men's version) are rad.

It rains here in the winter? WTF?

Kimmo, you're better off having a conversation with your bowl of breakfast cereal than you are trying to have even a rudimentary discourse with Kevbone.

Sounds fun. I'm in.

But I'd trade sucking for universal health care, living close to Cham, and some fucking wysteria growing from my chalet.

As if there's another way to watch something than in front of your eyes.

Isn't the title of this thread an oxymoron?

Trailer parks, frozen pizza, and cheap beer don't count as quality of life?

Policy-wise I agree. I'm just splitting hairs here, but your argument would be tangential to the plaintiff's argument in this case, which was largely based on racial disparities in the justice system as a whole creating a disinfranchised class.

I don't think its too hard for ex-con's to have their voting rights restored if they petition a court, though how likely they are to do so is debatable. The problem you describe above ties in with the disinfranchisement issue, but I don't know if its the central issue here.

I've climbed some of those. They weren't free climbs for me though!

Seriously, if five I.Q. points got the hell out of your brain, there would be zero.

Nice job Captain Obvious. Next time you think you have an original thought, please just shut the fuck up.

Seems to me the real point is: given that crime occurs equally among whites and minorities (according to the Times article I read), but minorities are incarcerated at a much higher rate, does that make our judicial system racist? And if so, does that mean a certain group of voters (minority felons) are disinfranchised? Even assuming more whites who commit felonies are not convicted, given the assumption of a fair trial, the minorities who are convicted of a felony did commit the felony. On the other hand, the end result is a higher percentage of minorities, when compared to whites in a similiar class, who can't vote. Interesting issue.

You masters of political science haven't realized this was a Federal Appellate decision not a policy debate. Moron.

Its impossible to make a judgment on the situation without having been there but I do think safety is relative and ice climbing, especially in the NW, is all about timing. Props to Craig for holding off when he thought something wasn't safe and I'd have say, Bob, Craig is hardly an anonymous poster.

I don't know the whole story but if he pulled a gun on someone, even if it wasn't loaded, it is a crime. Menacing or some shit.

Apparently, not a very good one.

Relax. It was joke.