LostCamKenny

i must not fear fear is the mind killer fear is the little death that brings total obliteration i will face my fear i will permit it to pass over and through me and when it has gone past i will turn the inner eye to see its path where the fear has gone there will be nothing only i will remain. Frank Herbert

Elitist ownership is thinking you can gratuitously drill sport-routes anywhere you feel like ON PUBLIC LAND, leaving your selfish metallic mess in your wake ON PUBLIC LAND, rather than practicing restraint by top-roping or "developing" clean lines and walking away if you can't. A sport-climb is just like a whole wall of tossed empty beer cans you can't throw away without making a lot of effort. though i am reluctant to get involved in this thread any more i have to say that i couldn't agree more with the precipitation hound, but like OW's signature alludes to there is a need for sport climbing.

tam, i've tried all those and still no love - what the f*** gives?

you'll have to break kev's fingers to effectively accomplish that, G.

speak for yourself and not other Oregonians in terms of the CRG being all that we got. portlandians then, checat. i don't want to drive 3.5 hrs if i don't have to in order to climb and if one doesn't want to climb in the gorge then that is what you are left with - drive to smiff or drive to washington's crags...

if you think you might not like what is being said in there then just don't go in there - duh!

there is a double standard here that what we do down here isn't ok and when it is done farther north is normal or expected - i'm comparing the IB crappola and pretty much everything that has gone on in the gorge forum in the past few weeks. there have been VOLUMES of garbage written about IB and all the controversy that surrounds it bolts and the verbal diarrhea goes on and on for lots more pages than any of this gorge bolt business. i don't know what it is about our two fair states that makes us soooo different that it can't be understood that we are really the same. is it that OR doesn't have any granite like 11worth or ndex or is it that we don't have an abundance of great alpine climbs and have to settle for the lushness of what we do have, that being the gorge? and b/c of our settling for this manure in the beautiful columbia river gorge we get treated like red-headed stepchildren when we get amped up about stuff that bothers us, or stuff that we are passionate about. the gorge is all we have down here and when all you got isn't much you tend to get mighty defensive about it. our next greatest place is some secret hideaway that is still a few hours away. so if we go there we might as well go to ndex or 11worth anyway. so really what we are dealing with here a few small crags and beacon - that's it! we ain't got the enchantments, we ain't got stuart or j-burg, or alpine lakes or RAINIER. instead of bringing us down for what we stand up for maybe try understanding what it is that we have to deal with in terms of a lack of fabulously beautiful climbing. put yerselves in our shoes - then maybe you can understand. and ow, control yerself - i am looking for fairness in all aspects of climbing (and this silly site). going through the forum lists i believe there is only one that specifically applies to OR, that being the OR cascades. the gorge forum applies to both OR and WA. the rest of the forums are either WA-based areas, montana, calif, ID or international. i believe there are just as many cascade mountains in OR as there are in WA, and this site is called "cascade"climbers.com, yes, not cascade"climbers".com? maybe the site should just be called washingtonclimbers.com since it is apparent that OR doesn't count for much here.

oh no joe, you're a much bigger pain in the ass on the net

huh... and you're complaining about us, so where does that leave you?

i'd say that the grade on this one would be a I...

do you mean the one in this tr or the one at b-tons, kev?

just curious how you are defining classic... the icicle crick classic crack looks pretty classic...

...then there was free for all, blownout, and windsurfer(though i've only aided that one). got some other pretty classic cracks that i've done too, but can't recall all the names - pain killers are hindering my thought processes at the moment... and my motivation to remember

actually, since you asked, it was classic crack at b-tons. pretty classic, i'd say... tried to onsight it and fell just below the faceholds at the top - twice

...and you won't stay in the BC/Cannuckistan forum so what the fuck's yer point, donnie? and inmates is the wrong nomenclature - beatards, if you please, G!

who learned you's people how is to spoke?

heeheehee... ditto! even funnier is that i don't have to think all the way back to my first attempt at crack to remember just how pathetic it was - i can just remember about 5 weeks ago

WHERE ARE THE MODS ON THIS THREAD? OW WAS PRETTY SWIFT WITH THE ONE THAT WENT FROM THE GORGE FORUM TO SPRAY IN UNDER A MINUTE...

basically, imo, it's ok for the arrogance of being a seattlite to suggest that we pdx'er are worthless piles of bitching noise, while complaining about bolts in the wilderness on IB is ok - ITS BITCHIN EITHER WAY JACKASSES AND YER SHIT STINKS JUST LIKE OURS, SO GET OVER IT! AM I RIGHT OR AM I RIGHT?

tis funny that the mods will shut down threads about IB's bolts at less than two pages while the gorge debates rage on for 6 or 7... interesting.

if the natural ambiance fails them, perhaps performance enhancing drugs might do the trick? yuuuuup, sure looks like its sucks 2 me! other than ivan gettin punched in between the eyes with a green alien there doesn't look like one instance of a bad day at beacon - though i can recall a rather uncomfortable one once.

you should definitely do this for yourself too, so it sounds. 8D

he don't know me - bet he still hates me though.