el jefe

nice one!

someone needs to put in a road to colchuck lake, too. the place will never take off as a cragging destination if you expect people to walk that far!

i don't believe i ever claimed to be in full possession of my faculties...quite the contrary, i'm sure.

i'm confused, moses, is it boring omen that you like, or women who bear sons? or bare boring women who bear sons?

thanks for calling me "whipper snapper". at my age that is high praise indeed!

i'm 52 years old and have been climbing for 24 years, so 7 years from now i guess i'll inevitably become an old fart? i hope not. good luck in yosemite. i'm sure the younger generation down there will have the good manners to put down their cell phones and step aside when they see the hexes on your harness.

no, bill, that's your role in this forum. i'm just tired of old farts who go to the crags looking for reasons to be pissed off.

It’s amazing to me that this “discussion” (“rant” would be a better word) is still going on. This thread was started by a venomous old fart as a way of spewing invective on younger climbers (“gym mentality”, “cell phone generation”) disguised as a “discussion” regarding acceptable behavior at the crag. He even confesses in a later post that he didn’t try negotiating (“I am guilty of sometimes getting irritated, instead of being friendly and making hints about how excited I am to lead it. I know better too, because I've used that tactic”), but quickly backpedals away from taking any responsibility for his own feelings and behavior by pointing out that the other group was remiss because they didn’t read his mind (“leaders used to get more respect” – did you tell them you wanted to lead the route?). Jesus, what a load this is. I say it’s high time grampa Mark here grew up and learned that you get respect from others by showing it first -- which means that if you want something from other people, then you need to open your mouth and ask for it. Don’t walk away sulking and then complain on the internet about the poor manners of those who aren’t able to anticipate all of your needs, because the simple truth is that most people aren’t walking around the crag thinking about what Markwebster might want. You can only call this behavior “excessive top roping” if the group in question had refused to share the route with you. A better name for this thread would have been "Sulky old schooler having a snit".

the obvious solution is to do like golfers do and sign up for a "tee time" on busy weekends.

my guess is that mr. cilley's opinion is based on the photo of "colchuck reality" as his specialty is hard cracks ca. 20-25 feet in length.

you know you've become an old fart when you start posting your "pet peeves" on the internet. bottom line is that other people aren't required to approach the sport using your rules. gotta agree with kevbone on this one: they got there first.

do you guys have a topo of the route?

if you check the "rock climbing" forum, you'll see that the colchuck "separate reality" pic even caught the eye of that venerable crack specialist, dick cilley...

repugnik hitmen lee atwater, karl rove and stephen schmidt have specialized in this sort of shit for a long time, so let's not get squeamish now that liberals are doing it, too. what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

conservatives are going to have a tough time selling the idea that obama lacks experience now. experience as the mayor of wasilla (pop 8000) doesn't impress too much...

nice TR! thanks for posting. looks like a splendid outing!

why not, fairweather? bush is still the president...

i don't think it's too late yet, but we are running out of time, so all those armchair experts out there need to get rolling soon or the facts will come in and they will have missed their chance!

everybody please remember that it is important to slag these people for poor judgment before we get information as to what really happened. knowing the facts will just confuse us and make it harder to demonstrate how much smarter we are.

you two squabble just like brothers do.

mommy! rumr and kevbone are fighting again!

sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, chad, but you do have a third eye in the middleof your forehead...

"noise"? -- ouch!

good suggestion, john. i'm sure there are lots of places at beacon where one could chisel some "yaniro" holds...

auf deutsch sagt man "haken" statt "bolt -- einfach so.