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I see whats going on here...

Is it suppose to be ironic that you misspelled loving? Regardless, good on ya for the booty shaking.

I remember when we were driving back from red rocks last spring, we were cruising through death valley and we saw a b-2 being refueled. pretty cool sight.

Yeah, Tvash is on a long trip in Alaska.

Jim Yoder has been at vantage on the weekends in his RV selling "damaged" copies for cheap

http://www.wenatcheeoutdoors.org/1PbWhereTo.tmpl?Counted=06/05/2008&PickGBCat=1016&PageStatus=PickGBCat&SortBy=Title#AncGBCats bill robins site is also out there.

climbing/party in eastern washington? i'm there.

That would be later in the night after sobo introduces you to me. 8D

does hellacious mean good?

Sobo, I broke a face hold yesterday and fell some 34". Where were you to catch me?

I hope to watch fights in hockey. I took a 30 foot fall in red rocks. I thought it was big. but thats because i was clipping and the rope caught my leg and flipped me over. But I'm probably just naive and haven't gotten out much. Basically I'm saying this is a subjective topic - nothing wrong with discussing, but there is no reason to get upset because everyone has their own opinion, no hard and fast definition.

is this a comedy routine? his last line answered your question? haha wow. I guess I didn't read far enough. I mean yes - just trying to be funny..........................

sol, how did ice cliff glacier look?

yeah i know you don't live their anymore. that just sounds cooler to say than tri-cities.

Yeah geez Paul thats what you get for living in the palm springs of washington.

hmm...maybe i misunderstood you...nevermind.

I called the ranger station last weekend, and she said there were at least one big avalanche blocking the road and some slide at the 'china' area...i wasn't really able to understand the china part.

I've never understood pink-pointing a trad climb, doesn't that seem contradictory to anyone else? Sure it could be a weird spot to place gear - but isn't that the essence of trad climbing? I only say this because earlier you referred to pink-pointing as cliping preplaced draws/gear.

I think flash means you climbed it on your first try, but you could have recieved information about the climb.

I like what I read so far. Coming from a competitive running background I like reading and discussing stuff like this. Thanks.

I would hope that I could join that group when I try to climb some new cracks there. Rob, I agree with you, I haven't really "climbed" the climb until I've led it - regardless of sport or trad. Anyway, interesting opinions. I have another question, what do people think of anchors/bolts on top of a trad vs walk off? Walk off is kind of weird...Obviously there is both at both tieton and vantage.

oh nice, must have overlooked that one when they others said sold out. thanks!

sadly they are all sold out

Yeah...its not a sport climb like you eluded to earlier. I would say its different than a mountain because people put time and money (bear with me here) into cleaning the route and put in bolts and hangers (thats where the money came from). I've never done anything in the realm of route/crag development, hence me being unsure about this. With that being said, unless the hangers were stolen, the first ascentionist didn't follow coulee ethics, in establish the route ground up...whatever if it wasn't for organic chemistry I would climbing rather than spraying. EDIT: Matt, I didn't see your post being I wrote mine. I agree with your final statement. However there lies the problem is exactly how long its been unclimbed or if it has been climbed. I wouldn't really know how to contact. Because it seemed Yoder/Ford didn't know either - because when they listed other projects they put who was working on it.

Wayne did it too. However they were done during summer months if I remember correctly - like July? Search for Stuart Traverse.