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Pearly Gates (in leavenworth) is a nice place to climb if the sun it too hot (because it's north-facing). I think a lot of the climbs there are two pitches, though. Index is awesome, and on the way to leavenworth, but you're going to run out of single-pitch easy/moderates there pretty quick. If your GF can handle two pitches and easy rapping, Great Northern Slab is a fun climb, and basically right off the parking lot.

This doesn't really sound like cardio 60 minutes @ 158 on the stairs made you throw up and use all of your glycogen? Maybe you're doing it wrong

forget vantage, even if it wasn't too warm. Like dan said, kinda sucks anyway. Leavenworth is way better and has tons of moderate single-pitch, though most of the moderate sport there will be way lower-angle than at vantage -- lots of slab. Plenty of cracks, too. Givler's Crack is technically two pitches, I guess, but super worth it and has a walk-off.

it sure doesn't help when you live in a political culture where the label of "flip-flopper" is instantly applied to anyone who dares to change their mind. STAY THE COURSE!!!!

Of course, buyer beware -- but keep in mind that just because it's used safety gear doesn't mean instant death. Haven't you ever driven a used car?

tell him he listens to too much Glenn Beck. The truth is far different. Only about 10% pay no federal taxes, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Meanwhile income for the top brackets have grown faster than every other bracket, while their taxes keep lowering -- more than any other tax bracket, btw. Meanwhile middle class wages are barely keeping up with inflation. Sure, the rich's income is SOARING, so of course they're paying even more taxes. That's hardly a good reason to give them tax cuts. It's a good article, make your friend read it. But it won't change his mind. People like that want to believe what they believe.

Oh man, I'm wasting my life. Nice shots

People aren't pissed because someone else is making an extraordinary amount of money, Minx, they're pissed because somebody else is making an extraordinary amount of money while using that money to lobby the government to further subsidize their profit-making endeavors at the expense of the underprivileged. People are pissed because the rich are getting richer than ever before and yet paying fewer taxes than ever before, and yet are militantly opposed to raising taxes back to normal, historical rates, even in the face of economic collapse -- and instead insist on cutting social programs, public education and infrastructure investments in order to continue to pay for their tax breaks. On top of that, they've convinced the government to give them money to make up for their bad investments by holding the world hostage and threatening to crash the stock market if they don't get their way. Things have swung so far in favor of the few and the fortunate that I'm surprised people still try to deny it. People who think this is just "jealousy of the rich" clearly just don't get it. hey Wookie, you should come over to my house and try to punch me in the face. That would be fun! I haven't been in a fist fight in a while.

I dunno, I also have health care but I'm still pissed off that the extreme rich have pulled off the world's biggest scam on the rest of us. World's biggest scam? Please explain. One thing many of us can do is refuse to work for a company where the execs make 20+ million and go to a smaller company where the disparity bettween the rank-and-file and the top brass is smaller. Sounds great! Are you hiring?

I dunno, I also have health care but I'm still pissed off that the extreme rich have pulled off the world's biggest scam on the rest of us.

I heard that sometimes people smoke pot in the Muir hut, is that true?????

Sounds like you agree with me. IN GENERAL, Conservatives tend think rich people got there because of their own hard work, or at the very least that they deserve their good fortune. And certainly I've met enough rich people to know that hard-work is definitely the secret-sauce for success, but also it requires a certain amount of good fortune that many people are simply born without. Many of our most successful entrepreneurs would have been miserable failures had they been born without certain advantages. So many people are born with an amazing legacy which conservatives tend to discount -- they associate personal success with financial success more than I think is appropriate. Had I been born to a completely different legacy with different parents and different values I may have ended up one of those guys begging at a freeway on-ramp. Republicans tend to assume all americans have equal opportunity, and therefore rich people deserve their good fortunes. They tend to assume that the poor are there because of "their own poor choices." They tend to believe that merit and personal ability are the deciding factor for success. It's a cute idea, and I hear you and other conservatives make this argument ALL THE TIME, so it's amusing to hear you reject it while basically confirming it at the same time. Additionally, conservatives tend to be much more likely to assume the poor are simple "milking the system" and are more likely to use words like "welfare moms" and tend to be more distrustful of public assistance. This is because they think that success is defined by one's actions. In a large degree this is true, but not as much as they think. Conservatives also tend to refuse to accept that our capitalist system ensures that there will always be poor people. But of course, this is true. After all, the majority of people -- by definition -- cannot be above-average. If everyone were rich, nobody would be. I would much rather see conservatives admit that our capitalistic system ensures a certain percentage of underprivileged wage-earners but attempt to argue the poor are better off than in other economic systems. But, that would assume a level of non-bias that you just don't see these days.

+1. any kind of oxygen-based detergent is the way to go with synthetics. I wash A LOT of lycra. "SportWash" works really well, too, but I think it's basically glorified oxyclean.

The basic premise all of the OWS types seem to agree on is that the wealth distribution in America is totally unfair, and that the disparity is intentionally perpetrated by the rich against the poor. I think it's a fair argument. But that's why your conservative friends hate it -- conservatives wrongly assume that rich people got rich on personal merit alone, and that "anyone" could do it if they only worked hard enough. To conservatives, poor people tend to be lazy, dishonest and stupid whereas the rich are hard-working, honest and industrious -- that's why they're rich and the poor are poor. It all makes sense to them that way.

That's what the mullet is for

also, it helps if she's actually interested. Dragging her along because you want a "climbing girlfriend" may not work if she's not so inclined. But if she IS so inclined, then it should be fairly simple to introduce her to it.

God, can you even imagine having a girlfriend who was into all the same activities you were? I mean, if she had her own group of friends, I guess it could work, but what if you introduced her to it and she loved it but all of her climbing friends were your friends? How would you ever get any air? Is it just me? Better be cautious.

Obviously, the answer is EPO and testosterone. Why do you even have to ask?

Regressive corporate shill!!!!!

Yes, but FOR FREE!!!!!

For example, they could put windmills on electric cars so that they could charge themselves while they drive. Simple! But of course the auto companies will never go along with such a simple solution because they're all in the pockets of big oil.

your mom's exciting

FREE ENERGY!!

Following all your posts on this tread; you seem like a spoiled brat. Nah, he just sounds "sensitive." I suppose we all have our quirks. For instance, I'm extremely selfish and ungrateful.