rob

my point isn't that we know what the fuck we're doing over there, because we probably don't. my point is that we're not really at war with the average afghan. I bet the average afghan is probably just trying to keep his fucking head down and provide for his family and not get his ass shot off in the crossfire. And, despite the fact that we really fucked it up, it's retarded to say we're just "trying to punish the afghans for 9/11" I like you bob Bob, you're kind of like the bizarro kevbone.

i reckon you can tell your friends whatever you want - irrationality is at the heart of history, and you'd be proud to play your part i'll warrant - in your case, i'm not certain how eastern europe was ever america's to "sell" nor how we could have imposed our will upon marshall stalin even had we been seriously inclined to do so perhaps we're straying from the original point? was it that irrational to, after 9/11, provide military support to the afghan northern alliance to evict the (unjust, as you say) governmetn of afghanistan, which had knowingly like OBL do his thing there? seems hard to argue against, but any military force, however nobly wielded, kills innocents. Dig, dig, ding, we have a winner! yes, Eastern and Central Europe was no interest to the US, so pretty much in Yalta there was a line drawn, essentially dividing Europe in half. There were plenty of ways to persuade stalin and soviets from abandoning their claim on these parts, but none of them were followed. there are plenty of historical books regarding this subject matter, so just read on that. The point is, that an average Afghan had nothing to do with hosting terrorists on their soil. There known cases of beheadings for listening to the music, and pretty much in a country where someone is pointing a gun at you, you do as you are told. Like it would be a nonsense to blame average US citizen for fucking over general population of countries like Poland, Slovakia or Czech Republic, it's a utter nonsense to blame Afghans for what happened on 9/11. But we didn't attack the "average Afghan" -- we attacked the taliban. The guys we're killing over there now are also not the "average afghan." As Ivan points out, any military action will kill innocents, but our military is definitely more cautious of collateral damage now than during, say, WWII. The point is, the average afghan is not the one lobbing rockets into our bases and getting shot at by marines. I'm not a fan of the afghan war but you and kevbone sound like idiots going on and on about how we're just randomly gunning down every tom, dick and harry over there in the street like bloodthirsty wolves. I'm pretty sure you guys are full of shit. The truth is bad, but there is no need to make it worse with hyperbole and ignorant comparisons to Yalta

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories#DTV_Transition lol?

Obviously, America's evil corporate influence is not welcome in a culture that enjoys a long and glorious tradition of beating women and wearing beards.

oh man, if I were ever on a climbing trip and my partner pulled out his phone to do some work email, I don't know what would happen. I'd rather he just stayed home and got his work done. Anyway, if you're worried about calling in a rescue, stop fucking around with your cell phone and get a PLB. ~$300 and it will work anywhere, for free. The McMurdo is really light and you won't have to worry. Cell phones on climbing trips so you can also do work or chat with your girlfriend just so you can enjoy the false sense of security that comes from hoping you'll actually have cell coverage as your buddy is slowly dying? Meh. Or as Frank Booth would say, FUCK THAT SHIT!

hahaha....you probably believe in God. Where is that evidence? Well, I'm glad you can at least see that your wacky 9/11 conspiracy theories are a good comparison to believing in god and other tooth fairies. It's a start.

Oh good, so AM/PM can still sell their buckets o' cola? Because it's not a fast food chain if you sell gasoline.

I hear there is really good reception in the mountains near Pinedale.

I'm sure another scolding from Hillary will do it this time.

wtf, in Yemen too? Why is the fuck is it so easy to storm our embassies and burn the flag, don't we have marines over there or something? Jesus, they're making us look like a bunch of fucking pussies. What's next, the girl scouts storm an embassy protesting nutritional labels on their cookies? Burn the flag too, girls, everyone's doing it. It's easy!

All I remember from the bible is that a lot of people get stoned.

How could they harbor him if he died in 2001? Dont believe everything you see

I hope that greg guy comes along and writes a synopsis of everyone's statements, complete with little quotes an stuff.

1000 years of darkness!!!!!

This has nothing to do with 9/11. They are different conversations. Yeah, harboring Osama Bin Laden and half of Al Qaeda had nothing to do with 9/11. STFU, boner. Kevbone thinks Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were framed, so yeah.

this thread needs a picture of balls

Depends. Can I see the lights of Pinedale?

I've always been a big fan of snowseal. That shit never comes off. Ever. http://www.amazon.com/Atsko-1330-Sno-Seal-Wax-7oz/dp/B000E903WC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347056847&sr=8-1&keywords=snowseal that's a great idea!

I can't see the bike, all that guitar bullshit is in the way

I have a friend who married a russian and it turns out she's really no fun. She never wants to go out, and never wants to be left alone, either. And she's super whiny and emotional about it. Fucking drama ALL THE TIME. fuck that shit, no pussy is worth that. independent women are the best.

The goddess is alive and magick is afoot!!! -- that bumper sticker is code for, "I'm a fucking retarded female, watch out"

Cause most women are fucking retarded. This is not new.

http://minibosses.bandcamp.com/album/brass

we didn't help the situation by overthrowing their constitutional goverment when they threatened to nationalize the oil industry and imposed an autocratic tyrant instead it's hard not to see a little bit of self-interestedness too in nuke-enabled countries like the usa and israel demanding that no one else be able to stand up to them in the most raw form of military power. one of my earliest and best climbing partners is iranian, and he thinks his government is a bunch of mean clowns that need to go away, but he's a patriot too and would not take kindly to attacks on his homeland from the outside - the logic that we need to fear a nuke-equipped iran, even though we and our allies could destroy them many hundreds of times over regardless of how many they built, seems too reminscent of iraq and the weapons of mass distraction thing... Agreed. But that kinda statement isn't as likely to rile anybody up now, is it?