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You bring the water balloons! YOU.............ARE.............ON

Man, no mountain is worth a death. Life is far too precious and wonderful to even THINK that climbing a mountain is worth dying for. Its not that difficult to "not be normal". Seriously, just have a BMI that is lower 27 and you'll beat the bell curve. I'd rather die when I'm 97, happy in my warm bed with a lifetime of memories in the mountains. That beats the bottom of some cold, black lonely crevasse any day! How old are you?

Well, everything that pink dood says is true.

Yeah dude it was AWSOME! Yeaah for Astroglide!

Sherri, will you marry me?

How are those working for you?

Sorry mate, the box of joy turned into an epic water baloon fight.

He must have a pretty major inferiority complex. Perhaps penis enlargement might help his situation. Poor dude.

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Sounds like someone found a lump of coal in there stocking one year......bah humbug bro. Naah, it was a box of condoms. Note the differences between there, their, and they're.

I think that monitoring training intensity and nutritional intake when exhausted is a must. You see, when I've been running consistently, I NEVER slow my pace slower than 8.5 min./mile. I will shorten my run in order to achieve higher intensities. This has caused me problems in the past because as my fitness and endurance level increased, I've trained far beyond my body's immediate ability to repair. Also, because I could train so hard and long without consciously feeling "wiped out", I couldn't get myself to eat nearly the calories that I was burning. I'm not interested in marathons, but I think all athletes can benefit from learning how to parallel physical stress with the times that their bodies are able to recover. One other thing, the actual feeling of "crashing" is a far cry from what it feels like to be simply "uber tired from a long run." The difference is hormonal - true crashing, or true overtraining, means that cortisol and testoserone completely bottom out, and it can take weeks to months for those to come back up. Without these hormones in balance, and high enough, our ability to withstand any stress is F***ED. Feeling uber wiped is different - usually cortisol stays high and testosterone drops until the athlete receives nutrition. More simply, this is a SHORT TERM testosterone dip. When true overtraing happens, appetite diminishes as the body slows metabolism in order to preserve energy, and this only leads to a cascade of tissue catabolism. Forcing one's self to stuff down more food when in this state doesn't work because the digestive track has slowed so much that constipation sets in - it's impossible to stomach the food. So basically the only thing we can do is to NOT LET IT HAPPEN in the first place. I hope that rant does some good.

Dude, you have some HERE and NOW issues. Who cares about next christmas? I'm looking forward to LUNCH, in three minutes! Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah

Yeah, what if "Micadee's" invested in lipo-suction clinics? Then they could start "McDonald's soap company" and call all thier products ORGANIC!

Yeah, it sounds like we are different athletes. In the past I've prided myself with having fantastic strength, and have been able to carry the heaviest pack and set the fastest pace, and go the longest (testosterone poisoning). I try not to do too much super long endurance when I'm "training", because I seem to lose weight really, really fast - I save the super long hauls for climbing trips. I fear that if I don't do this I turn into a scrawny stick with zero body fat, no matter how much I seem to eat (this is what happened to me last summer, and I completely destroyed my health). I do realize that this is an on going, and always changing game however. So I am always open to new ideas and ways to change the workout - its a must. I like your words about never going two days without a workout, and scheduling in rest days. Intuitively I seem to do this, but getting more organized and focused would probably do me a lot of good. I say this because I've gotten to a point in my fitness where I too can work my body to the point of complete collapse, yet still feel like I can keep going! I guess this can be a good thing, but at the same time my exhaustion signals are so weak......I don't feel tired until I crash completely. hence the overtraining thread. Anyway, yeah. These discussions are good. Have a nice day.

Who's to say im not a big dude? Are you a big dude like this? Or this?

Sounds like you have a good mechanism that tells you when you are overtraining - you get sick. The reason this is a difficult boundary for me to recognize is that I first of all RARELY get sick (once per year, if that) and second of all, exercise keeps energizing and making me feel great right up to the point of crashing. I'm talking minutes of time. Lately, in my efforts to beat this I'm working one exercise TYPE every other day. I'll do strength and core stuff one day, then cardiovascular exercise the next, and then two days per week I'll do nothing but standing and walking. I'm also eating every two hours - trying to get my anabolic hormones as high as possible. So far all this is working great - about 90% of the time. I still seem to have mild crashes on occasion but I'm super stoked that they are far less frequent and severe to just a few months ago. I know they are on their way out. Thats just me and mine however. I'm glad that you have everything figured out. It must be nice.

Dude, that word pretty much sums up the main priority of my high school class! I did (or still do) like getting new jeans and shoes for school though.

KEVBONE, yer killing me man!

This is one of the hardest things to overcome.

Everything is better when wrapped in bacon.

I would disagree. For me it never gets old. I've haven't quite climbed "a billion" peaks, but I've done one or two, and every time I get up there (no matter what the weather) I am always always taken back by the closeness and power of death. I might be more of a hippy than most, but the simplicity of a fire-filled sunset at home puts me into a state of utter respect for this universe. I mean seriously, when you stare at that sunset you have to realize that the light you are looking at was created 93 million miles away, eight minutes ago, and by massive thermonuclear reactions in a ball of gas the size of a million earths! How could the wonder of that power and beauty EVER wear off? I personally believe religion is for the weak of mind. Living in the unknown is the path to fulfillment. I wonder what Jesus would say?

Here is one study about high cholesterol levels in metabolic syndrome: Gylling H, Hallikainen M, Kolehmainen M, Toppinen L, Pihlajamäki J, Mykkänen H, (2007). Cholesterol synthesis prevails over absorption in metabolic syndrome. Translational research : the journal of laboratory and clinical medicine, Jun;149(6):310-6. You can find it on Pub Med pretty easy. I don't think I communicated my thoughts as well as I would have liked. Basically, what I was brainstorming was that high sugar diets have such a damaging effect on insulin sensitivity that at some point these sugars are simply not properly transported into cells. Then it clicked that this is the definition of metabolic syndrome, and eventually type 2 diabetes (duh). The study I posted demonstrated that this state can lead to increased total cholesterol. Also, it makes sense in my own mind that super high sugar diets will eventually lead to higher trigliceride levels, and thus increase the risk of metabolic syndrome and heart disease. One book I read pointed out that it is far easier to go overboard on carbohydrate calories than it is on fat calories. Just think about it, four pancakes slathered in syrup are roughly equal in calories to 7 or more hard boiled eggs! Now which one would be WAY easier to stomach in one sitting? This is where I was saying that the "non burned" sugar calories are converted to triglicerides and then which leads to increases cholesterol production. I have some other sources insulin somewhere, so I'll see if I can get a citation up. Overall however, I've learned that the [abdominal fat] associated with metabolic syndrome is now being recognized as a real indicator of the condition. Also, in the studies about metabolic syndrome the culprit is always sugar (particularly fructose) and not fats. And that makes sense because dietary fat elicits barely any insulin release. The last thing I'd say is that everything I've read about complex carbohydrates says that when eaten in balance, they actually improve insulin sensitivity - which lowers the probability of developing metabolic syndrome. Source: Vidon C, Boucher P, Cachefo A, Peroni O, Diraison F, Beylot M. (2001). Effects of isoenergetic high-carbohydrate compared with high-fat diets on human cholesterol synthesis and expression of key regulatory genes of cholesterol metabolism. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, May;73(5):878-84. Sorry about the long rambles. This is quickly turning into a research paper instead of light fitness conversation....... Anyone else know more about this stuff?