Raindawg

Yeeeee! Sport-climbing!!! That ain't a microphone in my hand...it's a chalk-ball that is astonishing me. Clip 'n go! Definitely NOT for "squares"! I'm outta here! Bet I can read your mind!...Let's see....EXIT 38!!!! Gotcha! See ya in "i-so"!

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Here, here!!!! What Dane said!!! Climbers are not without fault. Take responsibility.

I listen to Garvis, the Gert Johnnys, Cool Candys and the New Christy Minstrels! They really get you going!

You know, L'il Muffin....part of the problem with the lack of a greater response to the announcement of your triumphant visit to Seattle is, frankly:...you mentioned the boyfriend. Had you not, I suspect that you would have been overwhelmed by numerous offers from many of the "horny little fish" that lurk around here. So, next time...bring the boyfriend, "SO", or whatever you call the lucky fella, but just don't introduce him until you're already at the spot YOU got to choose from the many options presented to you. Suggested dialog: cc.com horny-fish at a Seattle Pub: "Uhhhh, Miss Muffy....I've really enjoyed reading everything you've ever wrote on cascade-climbers and I've brought you these flowers and this Exit 38 guidebook which I'm going to ask Mr. Fred Beckey to autograph sometime if you like...I went to one of his slideshows once." You, Muffy: "Thanks for the flowers. (Hand them to your boyfriend saying: "Here...put them with the rest, now let's get these chumps to buy us some beer and nachos.")

You can add "Raindawg" to that list.

Hey Buddha. With your comments above, you just sabotaged your own weak attempt at portraying yourself as philosophical savvy and introspective. I guess it's back to your usual coarse demeanor. I hope you feel better about yourself someday. "Namaste"!

Nice futile philosophy. Enjoy your passive, all-accepting life and let others make your choices. Meanwhile, I'll attempt to shape the world in ways I think will be better.

Rabbi "feaux" says: "Hey former "alpine buddy"....Whatever!..." P.S. you don't know from my religion...you really don't. Not looking for sympathy....including, if not especially, yours.

I'm not condoning habitat destruction at all. I like most animals more than I like most climbers. I just find it ironic that climbers are doing there own form of trashing the landscape while commenting on the more dramatic activities taking place nearby (dirt bikes). As climbers, they should be especially aware of their own impact, and a concern for the greater environment should also be a requirement. "Feck"...you've been around long enough to know what Vantage was like before the vertical metallic highways attracted the clip-drawed masses...it was a much more natural experience, at least on the rock. It's changed, and I'd say not for the better.

Sorry, "mattp", there is no dodging here. Once again, you display your self-delusion in believing that you have the ability to discern other's intent, e.g. whether one post or another was written to be "deliberately" "obnoxious" or not, also, below: "you may find it amusing". Leave religion out of it; your analogy is offensive. We're talking climbing here. I recognize that some of my viewpoints are not mainstream (as of yet, although I'm confident they eventually will be) but I will take advantage of the opportunity to share them when I can. These ideas are "part of the debate" and they will be presented as I see fit. If you or anyone else sees my name, and finds my posts obnoxious, walk on by. Ain't that what freedom's all about? By the way, I care a great deal about climbing; 2008 marks my 35th year of involvement...much of my life. A lot of what I see going on I believe to be utter CRAP! and I will comment on it whether such views are popular or not. "Mattp", we've been through this so many times both on-line and in-person. You may not like my style, but it's the one I choose. If someone else chooses to present a similar message in a more gentle way, fine with me. I'm not here to conform to you or anyone else, whether you think my approach is appealing or not. Frankly, I find many of your posts obnoxious, including this last one. RE: "freedom fighter carrying the banner of hope"??? See my comments above....you REALLY don't know.

Mr. Billcoe. If you don't like my posts, you aren't required to read them nor respond to them. You can just treat them as opinions you don't prefer, from someone you don't respect, and thus ignore them. I'm making an exception responding to you now, just to offer that advice. End of story. good luck and happy climbing! - don

Some of you act like paragons of environmental virtue when addressing the motorcycle dudes while at the same time you continue to endorse (by drilling or climbing) the grid-bolting of Vantage: a place where almost every route that can't go clean can be top-roped (with perhaps a few judiciously placed compromise anchors, if absolutely necessary) without resorting to the pathetic "climbing" situation that Vantage has become. Ya, the bikes are no good, but take a look at yourselves, too. (And all the garbage is likely not originating solely from the clueless "concert-goers".)

What gets me, is apart from having a foul mouth, you clearly don't understand the issues. You seem to assume that "sport climbers" would all be flocking to the mountains if they didn't have their little metallic trails to keep them occupied. For the greater masses and the many bastard offspring of the gyms/nurseries, "sport-climbing" is appealing because of its convenience: a short learning curve, slack rules, a minimum of gear and not much danger = instant gratification. Mountaineering, and trad climbing to some extent is the opposite. The environmentally unfriendly part comes with the attitude that "sport-climbers" have the right to install artificial permanent alterations to the landscape whenever and wherever they please. In my opinion, people should strive to climb "clean" and bolts should be RARE. You'd think that by now outdoor-oriented folks like climbers would understand the "leave little trace" philosophy but "sport-climbers" seem to be one of the worst offenders. You might (maybe) pick up your granola bar wrappers, but you leave a permanent mess of metal affixed the crags. That "sport-climbing" distracts a few people from going into the wilderness is merely a curious side-benefit; I'd prefer they stop the bolting, a practice which is creeping into the wilderness. By the way, is this true: that you "started climbing just two or three years ago"?

Wow! What an impressive display of vulgarity from members of the "climbing community" toward someone who offers a different perspective than the one some of you seem to prefer. So I think "siege climbing" of this sort is ridiculous...so what! Some of your responses are so over-the-top you should be embarrassed.

5 months of rehearsal doesn't. Not so. There is a pattern to my discontent. Much of it involves environmentally dubious "sport-climbing" and secondly, it's stylistic practices, some of which have been incorporated into trad-climbing(e.g. hangdogging, seige-climbing - like the above 5 month exercise ). 5.14 trad crack...nice effort; siege climbing, however, doesn't impress me.

Yah....all the pseudo-egalitarians out there don't hold women to the same standard in climbing.

Think about it... 5 months of rehearsal. I'd be more impressed if she walked up to it and made it happen. 5.14 isn't cutting edge anymore. People make a big deal out of it because she's a gurl. Loads of other folks are climbing 5.14. If she wasn't a gurl, would this even be a some sort of "huge" story? Otherwise, nice effort.

Yeee! Bethy! And after only 5 months of rehearsal! So....do you get extra points if you're a gurl?

Hey Indy: it must hurt knowing so much about everything, huh? My guess is no woman wants to have anything to do with you because you're such a know-it-all dickhole. But I'm sure you can tell me if these guys burned fatties, based on the grave robbing you've done: Women ain't never been a problem, pot-fuzzed speculator! My wife of 28 years is more valuable than any number of the ones I've turned away. As for as grave robbin': that sounds like an envious comment coming from a little man in a cubicle. Dream on, Sparky; I'm planning my next successful expedition. aloha! Dwayner/Raindawg/Don

Amber and Miss Normandy might be interested.

He was certainly more articulate than you! Does pot give you a foul mouth? It's great to be an expert at something, eh?

As usual, you have NO idea what you're talking about. Example is the only thing that works? Once again, you have NO idea what you're talking about. Check these guys out: (they work by support) One Step At A Time Classy! Now that you feel better about yourself, you can load up that bong and engage in some fantasy sport-climbing! Yee haw!

Not as simple as this guy:

????? I ain't stoppin' you from making yourself stupid. Why do I care? I don't, unless you're doing it around me, carrying it in my car, or if you're my climbing partner. Then it is my business. Toke away, Smokey-Joe!