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I agree an A is an A. However timing is everything and in the "real" world if you are late, a lot of times it is better to not even show up again. In my short experience as a geology consultant, I have noticed the laziness and resourse/time-wasting in the unionized construction world. This is amazing to me and really a great shame in our society. Back when I used to swing a hammer in Ltown, the philosphy of the contractors I worked for was all about production and conservation of the materials as MONEY was the object collected in the end. Time is money. Sure we took breaks but, criminey, the amount of waste compared to big business construction is staggering. Even if you factor in the job-size difference. All said, Gary, I think tardiness and truency should not matter for lectures, although rude and disrespectful. Make being there a requirement with random morning bonus quizes and the good 'ole exam question only covered in class is sure to keep most students on time and present everyday. Turning in assignments late should definitely be down-graded, as timing in life is everything.

north bend?

huh, so that is where the penny came from... I wish there would have been one on IC, cuz ole scotty would have had one winging down on him from great heights! Wayne- not agreeing or disagreeing about picket traverse and the FA but PP has a point and I do remember hearing about some team back around '99 going for a bigger enchainment then just the northern pickets. They apparently had gear stashes to incorperate traversing the pickets down through the Ptarmigan, maybe further. I can't recall if they were successful or not. My friend in Bham (who i am fairly sure does not visit this site) may know the answer and I will try to ask sometime. (perhaps Dylan Taylor can too, as I know he climbed with my statistics prof, Josh back then). Either way, in noway am I belittling the great effort and nice line you and company followed. Too bad that area was not granite!!!!!

craig, are you saying my friends and I about 10 years ago imagined driving from leavenworth, got to the turn by the old "gas station" (long since fell down and removed) on old vantage highway and were not told by the three patrol cars to go home as 'there is no camping or climbing or plain 'ole driving past us down here this weekend?' perhaps you just were not there that weekend, or your memory is fading old man. and where is there a gate mentioned as currently being there? my statement meant I can see it happening in the future...

cbs- Gyselinck lives in redmond. Read his Loc. I think they should ban camping there too. However, enforcing that would be costly and not feasible for an already tapped government agency. I could see them just gating the area completely. Sometimes the county closes the coulee to all visitors during concerts; I once drove from Ltown to climb, only to turn around and go home, pissed but what can you do? In the past decade, climber abuse has noticeabley increased in the coulee. I have witnessed this and have become jaded towards Frenchman's due this reason. Also, gys is right about dumping occurring pre-climbing area.

Jon that's not Barbara Bush. Go back to watching tv, and now I'm serious too! Laura, jon, Laura. I must say though, now we definitely know where the brains in the shrub family come from...

Matt, You over-analyze way too much. Please quit trying to make this website like the rest of the way America is going...into the toilet. The humor that has been banned from this site is really utter bullshit. Anonymous Avatars should exist and if the person does not want to you to know who they are is there business. This is one real freedom we have... Lawyers like you are being is why are country is fuking fuked. Kurt, Please quit calling me names. You are a jerk and I wish your moderator priveledges were revoked.

Really now. I have heard this climb requires some unique body tension and technique. not doubting you completely but do these climbers actually climb OW? I also know yoder did it a couple times (saw him climb it once from a distance, so perhaps he tugged gear, I don't know, nor really give a flying pig ). <-- last part is for RumR But to answer your question, the world may never know... as many people (I think) don't care as they climb only for themselves...not recognition in any book or climbing journal.

I wonder how colin is doing without his "new" boots that he forgot in Fred's car... i am sure just fine.

ask larry the llama or erik's boss: wallstein.

geek, for sure we can not determine the fate of this route on the net... I agree with this statement from JosephH: unrestrained, the path will lead to (grid) "over-bolting" of every (unprotected) crag over the course of coming years... and I will add this will only lead to the "DARK SIDE" and this will lead you to "HELL"

I will add the routes on goat are "well protected" but no where near the protection frequency seen on routes like condormorphine addiction (condor buttress).

Ask Chris Sharma about clipping the crux bolts on the route called "realization" in France. Apparently, he took repeated "whippers" while trying to redpoint the route prior to his success a few years ago. cbs- how would "chipping" make a climb harder?

mr. perkins, I am 29 and like to sport climb and I think the one time I observed the route is sufficient to state my opinion regarding adding the bolt. Also, I feel all opinions should recieve equal weight. Like TimL implies...leave the challenge for those who want to climb the route like it is now. EDIT: However, it is a rock and I, nor Tim own it so, I guess whatever will be done, will be done. Afterall, it is just a route on a little cliff in the tumwater....

i'm w/ josh - i love a good human disaster story. next i wanna see seatac get buried in 50 feet of lahars - It is true, there is plenty of room in Texas but, the land is (I think) mostly private and ranch land. Plus the lack of water is obvious. If the volcanoes in our region started erupting tomorrow, I bet most of you would be scared and singing a different tune. Really now, you all be careful in what you wish for...the volcanoes will erupt again and catastropic descruction will happen. When is the billion dollar question to answer. The good thing is, I do not think our human influence on climatic change will speed up any tectonic/volcanic processes. Yet, when the big ones come again, I bet they will create bigger ones....

bush supporters, answer this: so, when mr bush says (not word for word but something like this) I am getting in my helicoptor and leaving here in a minute, but I will not forget what I saw here, this is to be considered a respectable job as a president? And to say, NO one expected the levees to fail.... I really think that perhaps the shrub has forgotten his brain in Texas this time, for sure.

oh yeah the Elephant place is very cool.

ahhh, yeah. Her dog, not mine. Except when I am around. He and I go swimming, hiking, bouldering, climbing, driving, and swimming. God that dog loves to swim. Likes to dive for sticks underwater stuck in the sand.

My mother's pup...

....and those goat slab routes will only get more slippery with increased ascents! So, get 'em while they are still do'able.

cbs- i do believe you mean the wilson/mcnertney route as for 10/11 tr'able slab climbs...the breakfast wall has some winners...above barney's rubble. pearly gates has some good and not-so good slab climbs... wart wall has a few, as does goat dome. all 5.10-11 climbs are accessible from going up easier routes and then rapping or walking over to the anchor as most of the routes at this grade for the 4 formations mentioned were done top down.

in the town of fontainebleau the tourist office had a nice map of the area and guidebooks for sale. I have a book/map you could borrow, but unfortunately you are there and I am here. this is a good website that I discovered after I returned to the states: bleau drtopo has this printable guide: cuvier a bike would be very useful...and a guidebook did help as it is easy to get lost there. I had lots fun in bas cuvier and cul de chien, the roche places are usually cool too as they seemed to be mountain-like with boulders all around... have fun ken, the forest is what many say it is.... ben

i dont do any of that boring computer bullsheit. I am a field geologist that gets to sit outside and watch people work or collect the samples for the numbers. the numbers come from years and years of experience. ask the engineers how carefully they need to calculate all the factors together to make our life safe. oh wait, aren't you an engineer. ask yourself then.

I know someone who has done it twice...he lives in Wenatchee and knows a few people that post here. Exactly when he did it, I don't remember. I will say though he gets up some crazy shit but does not climb things in order to tell all the world of his achievments.