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Of course Yellowlabia, there's always this option!

Hey look! Fuckin' FBI Statistics! 2011 Homicides by Weapon: Firearms: 8,583 Knives or Other Cutting Instruments: 1,694 Blunt Objects: 496 By Hand: 728 Poison: 5 Explosives: 12 Fire: 75 Narcotics: 29 Drowning: 15 Strangulation: 85 Asphyxiation: 89 Other: 853 I figure the average school bus driver would stand a pretty good chance of defending themselves (and their kids) with anything other than a firearm.

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Best way to dehumanize someone? Shoot them.

Please. The range of "debate" in America has been so skewed towards gun ownership and gun lobby talking points for so long that when anything remotely sensible relative to standards in place elsewhere are brought in, they're bound to seem extreme. Considering the scope of the problem, it might help to "think outside the box". As far as common ground with NRA types goes, I'd love to see them put something that isn't insulting, offensive, or cravenly self-serving on the table. Sorry if you got dehumanized. how's the job going at In 'n Out? Slow day? Whaaa, I'm dehumanized!!

Hey man, we don't have a gun problem, we got a people problem. You feel me?

Even if we did have a gun problem, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!

Please. The range of "debate" in America has been so skewed towards gun ownership and gun lobby talking points for so long that when anything remotely sensible relative to standards in place elsewhere are brought in, they're bound to seem extreme. Considering the scope of the problem, it might help to "think outside the box". As far as common ground with NRA types goes, I'd love to see them put something that isn't insulting, offensive, or cravenly self-serving on the table. Sorry if you got dehumanized.

Once again, when only outlaws have guns, they're much easier to track down and disarm. You know who has guns in Japan? The Yakuza. You know who has to fear gun violence there? Other Yakuza.

I don't doubt this to be true, but I have to admit I'd be pissed if I was a "responsible, law-abiding" gun enthusiast and the government outlawed guns I owned. It would be like the government taking my skis or telling me I couldn't ski in a certain area because of all of the recent avalanche deaths. That said, I see no downside to a policy, similar to the one Tvash outlined, that makes guns harder to get and easier to track and regulate. I'm not sure what your freedom to fall into a heuristic trap while recreating has to do with your right to walk out of a Walmart and into a Wendy's to kill a dozen or so people have to do with each other, but it sure sounded good. The fact that you'd be pissed is a real bummer, but it may be that America is waking up to the fact that living in a civilized society means you can't always "have it your way". Just because a person can put their pants on in the morning and not commit any crimes doesn't mean they should have the right to own a gun. Statistics on gun deaths involving "responsible, ordinary Americans" bears this out. The right to own a gun doesn't trump my right NOT to have to live in a more militant, surveilled, securitized, restricted world with more government intervention in my life in order to accomodate a heavily armed society. It doesn't trump my right to NOT own a gun because I have to defend myself against other gun owners. But yes, harder to get, regulate, and track for everyone, for every gun. Limits on stockpiling. Tax the livelihood out of gun dealers. Gun registry, annual renewal, etc., etc. etc... Basically, until it isn't any more fun to have one or profitable to legally sell one.

Suicides, accidents, domestic violence, first time violent offenders, etc. Everyone is a "responsible, ordinary, law-abiding American" until they decide to or accidentally bust a cap in somebody. Yes, because people won't do any of that shit if guns are banned and magicaly whisked off the planet. Are you serious? Be sure not to compare US gun/gun death statistics to any other civilized country with outright gun bans, I know how it pains you. But hey, let's keep selling ourselves short, saying "hey, but this is America", keep lowering our expectations on every single social indicator out there, and keep turning ourselves into the national equivalent of the the token retard. "Whhaaa, we can't!!!" Gotta love a conservative philosophy that emphasizes a pull yourself up approach out of one side of its mouth and a cringing infantile paralysis out of the other.

Suicides, accidents, domestic violence, first time violent offenders, etc. Everyone is a "responsible, ordinary, law-abiding American" until they decide to or accidentally bust a cap in somebody.

Isn't that the same reason all you hoplophobes claim we need to restrict guns? Yes, it's true. More emphasis should be placed on the effort to keep handguns out of the hands of the "responsible, ordinary, law-abiding Americans" among whom most of the deaths from gun violence are taking place. Thanks Yellowlabia!

Gawd, I know, right? Can't we just pretend it doesn't exist? Grade on a curve, or some shit? Damn, they fuckin' up the global statistics n' shit!

That little .22 doesn't really have the kind of stopping power our children need to defend themselves against an attacker.

"I'm an irresponsible gun owner." Boy, if I had a dime for every time I heard that one!

And the gangbangers...geez Louise!

Yeah, let's not pretend the US military is really all that. Maybe allowing fit women will make up for the loss in male fatties.

The only thing left now is to figure out how Tvash can claim credit. Oh wait, he already did.

BOB FOR C.E.O.!!

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Yeah, he is HUGE!!

LOL, it's like the cartoon pamphlets they drop on illiterate villagers!