JosephH

When I worked on Maui for U of RI we were almost coerced into setting up some high research rigging on those highly vegetated cliffs with the use of ice climbing gear and old-fashion solid ice screws. Fortunately we were able to dodge that bullet.

Hadn't hear that one before - that's actually pretty damn funny...

This is worth repeating, however... Ditto, for sratching/chalking arrows up the SE Corner for your second and rappelling off the tree.

It's raining noobs, nubiles, and rocks! Well, ok, just noobs and rocks. I'd say it's just the collective price we pay for bringing along folks who haven't gotten control of their weight distribution yet. They have to learn, and out at Beacon that will always involve the loss of some cherished holds over time. C'est la vie...

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Can you really be a respectable thirty-something these days without tats and chickens?

Oh, I thought you meant the horn you use to get up onto the slab. But that little rope directing stone was pretty nice to have as well, though it too was slowly getting loose. Someone probably yarded on it - bummer.

? the belay under the roof is before the little ladder up the slab - i think i've only used it twice, each time w/ a complete newb - plaid's right, a newb can get awful freaked at the crux, espeically since they can't see/hear you - i too prefer the slab finsih too, especially when soloing I'm confused, there's no need to ever go left anywhere near where she's at in the pcture. But Bill did remind me that people used to do the high traverse to the slab and sometimes belay where she is.

Sort of like the horn that used to be at the top of the first pitch, it always been just a matter of time before someone without much control over themselves yarded it out of there. Sad to see it go, but glad it didn't come off on someone free-soloing (not that it likely ever would have).

Well, I suppose that's one way of looking at it. But then that's the beauty of climbing - everyone can do their own thing. I personally much prefer the dance up the middle of the slab than that crack system on the left.

Ah, there you go with regard to there being lots of ways to break it up as that's sure a novel place to belay from! She's about 35-40 feet above the anchor for belaying p2. And yes, unnecessarily removing the flakes on the wall below the move up onto the p2 slab is a really bad idea.

There are lots of ways to break up the SE Corner pitches, could you be more specific? Are you talking about the 'V' notch at the top of the Jimney? Are you talking about the series of large blocks that used to be part of the trail from p1 to p2? If so those got trundled early last season.

I'll give you a call...

Proof Glenn and Rush are right on target drumming the lowest common denominator beat...

I can't make it, but can we donate via your posse somehow...?

I thought the Black Maria line was to the left of RR...now I'm confused (not that that is new)...

I understood the lines to be like this. But then the Third Rail came about because I didn't understand the lines and Jim couldn't rememeber them either.

That can't be right as the next dihedral to the right is the Third Rail which tops out by traversing over the top of the larger dihedral in the picture to the anchor.

It's funny just how terrified most folks are of questions without answers. It's equally amazing at what they will invent to fill that void. Add a lack of education and healthy dose of fear and they will believe almost any claptrap from Jove to Jesus. Has all that much changed from the days of the Roman Empire?

Again, I didn't comment on R-71 or your position on it - I only commented on your outrage - which part of that are you missing?

Funny, I don't think I commented on any asspect of R-71, only your outrage (pretty much all a bankrupt right has left to peddle these days - indignation and outrage - no doubt as effective as ever with their discerning base).

Where?

Are you also outraged by anti-abortion groups as well? They don't seem to agree with your assessment of the effectiveness of the tactic relative to their cause. At least gays won't be assasinating anyone through their kitchen windows.

Do give a shout when you know you're headed this way. Good luck on your trail work...

Bill sticks it here. If you have the skill set of a Guatemalan day laborer, you're not going to get paid much more than one even if you live in Portland. And going forward, if your work product, regardless of what it is, can be delivered by clicking a mouse, then you're going to be competing with the entire planet. The only way the U.S. will compete is on the basis of skills and we've been doing a lousy job imparting those to the majority of our population for some time compared to the rest of the industrialized nations.