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Someone help me! I'm just not sure what to do with this!

Is that what you want for christmas? Someone has an overactively dirty mind, and for once it's not me!

Anyone interested in climbing or bouldering Mon. and/or Wed. at the UW gym? Probably 5:00ish-6:30 or 7:00ish. Unluckily you have to be a UW student/staff/or faculty, but on the up side it's only 3 bucks/time. Any skill level would be great, though i'm awfully suck at bouldering. Cheers!

First it'll be a conspiracy by the gov't/jews/scientists/..... you know, like the moon landings. Then it'll just give the zealots and wacko's one more group of "things/people" that they'd like to get rid of and that are manifestations of evil. Then finally it'll be accepted as a matter of fact and the religous doctrines will be read somewhat less litterally and somewhat more expansively, to absorb the changes. What's the general progression of any new scientific discovery? It's laughed at, it's persecuted, then it's accepted as obvious.

are one of those wonderful groups where thinking seems highly discouraged The statement about the vatican indicates that not all religous groups feel this way.

Unluckily the advances of science will always outpace the level of moral discourse necessary to temper it. At least it keeps us on our toes though!

He was quoting from the Baghavad-Gita (one of the Hindu holy books). It's interesting that the men who developed atomic weapons all (or almost?) became is staunchiest opponents. Several years ago the vatican gave it's blessing to Stephen Hawking and the physics community in general to research anything they wished up to the point of the big bang. There isn't any fundamental conflict between science and religion. The only people who seem to think there is are those groups that wish to supress thought in their members. Science has a nasty habit of questioning everything, and when the only reason you have that your religion is right and that your better than everyone else, is because your pastor says so... well it make them squirmy!

Do we really want to go back to the justifications for the war? At the time they "seemed" palatable to enough people to justify sending troops, barely. In retrospect, every one of the supposed justifications was empty. So now were f-ing stuck. I was against the war from the beginning. But now that were there I think it would be unconscionable to just pull out completely, though realisitically regardless of what we do Iraq isn't going to be a threat to anyone except their immediate neighbors for quite some time. The utter refusal of the administration to admit that it f-ed up, overestimated the reliability of hte intelligence it had, that it likely manufactured a little hype with the verbal pissing match on TV between GW and Saddam, and generally "Sold" the war after the decision had already been made pisses me off. Now not only do I disagree with their politics but I have no respect left for the people in the Executive branch, trust in their motives, or faith in their intelligence. At least prior to the war, I only disagreed with their politics.

There was a thread on this b-board not too long ago, asking "how long can we stand it in the US, with all this injustice, before we must revolt". How ironic that the liberal-utopian-socialist posterchild France is the one where the people are revolting. :-)) The populace in france revolts all the time. Why the hell do you think they've been through something like 15 constitutions in 200 some years?

The best year ever was when the Cougs got beat, at home, by the Vandals (I went to U of I for my undergrad) and got stomped by the UW in the rose bowl :fawk: Was a very quiet thanksgiving!

And I thought what I said sounded dirty

They didn't win so much as the other team lost worse.

Every year at thanksgiving I have to endure the ribbing from my step mom's family as they're all hard core WSU folks and i'm going to UW (I think her dad was dean of students or some such thing). The first few years when the cougs were still doing well it was damn near unbearable, now that they suck so it's not soo bad though :fawk:

There's a good Greek Place down in Freemont, can't remember the name though. And a couple of unknown worth on University way? Thanh Brothers Pho' in is the shit if your in the U-district. Giant bowls of great Pho' and free creampuffs to boot

Soy-lent bio-diesel? or would Soy-lent ethanol be easier to manufacture?

How about pickles? All Honey Hole sandwiches come with pickles you know.

Heh, just because you can't find your way there isn't any reason to pout! That does sound rather dirty doesn't it.

So... what are eveyrone's favorite lunch spots in Seattle? I just finished eating at the Honey Hole and boy was it tasty!

mmmm, organics. Has any one else ever drank the water out in the rainforest? I remember stuff that even after running it through a filter still looked like tea!

I imagine because the area's effectively off limits to people. As memory serves isn't seattle water drawn from a watershed that is effectively offlimits to everyone? So I would imagine they're negligible polution, and probably only minor treatment to take care of things like giardia. But don't many cities draw theyre freshwater from major, public rivers? Of course i'm talking out of my ass so just going to shut the hell up now

poor snugtop! I'm sure you can find something better to do at 10:00 at night. Of course i'm on here at 8:30 in the morning so what the hell do I know?

You might try the Montrail CTC's for shoes. My wife has been pretty happy with hers. There more an approach shoe than rock shoe so they seem to handle abuse and mud reasonably well, but they edge ok, and have montrails version of climbing rubber on them, so they're reasonably sticky. I don't know about padding, or impact absorbtion though. I'd second the soft-shell pants idea. They're a bit too heavy for warm summer temps and running, but very abbrasion resistant, stretchy, wind-proof, water resistant, yada, yada, yada. The only hole i've managed in mine was self inflicted with crampons i've been wearing the same pair for 2 years of reasonable abuse. While the breathe, it probably won't keep up with really aerobic stuff in warm temps though. (the REI Mistrals are pretty good, and cheaper than most).

I use the trippled draws all the time, and rarely extend them, they're still much more flexible in this configuration than sport draws are though. However if all you have are dogbones that's not an option. As for the accident, the last thing I remember hearing was that they though the cam placement walked in deeper causing the biner-gate to wedge open, and part of the reason the cam likely walked is that it was clipped to the rope with a short, stiff sport draw. Out of curiosity, how often do you two clip directly to cam slings, or to trad gear using dogbones?

How often around here are the cracks dead vertical splitters where the rope line doesn't vary any further than your hips wiggle? For cracks like those it doesn't make much difference how long and flexible your draws are. As memory serves didn't short stiff draws on trad gear contribute to a rather severe accident at Vantage not to long ago. And on plumb straight crack as well.

She was climbing Moonshine dihedral, and the shortness of the draws led to the pieces being pulled sideways, which popped several nuts out while she was still on lead. And she's normally pretty good about her gear. And quickdraws are great on bolts. I just personally don't trust them on trad gear, I don't think they're flexible enough. And your right people have been using them on gear for ages, but that doesn't mean it's the best way or that there isn't the potential for it to cause problems. 2 wiregates and some of the little mammut slings is definitely the way to go in my book.