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Yep. Our terrorist gov't staged a mass school shooting to forward their agenda of gun control, whose ultimate goal is to confiscate guns from all citizens. They can then rule us with tyranny, a tyranny unprecedented in the history of the world. Are we going to stand for this? That is the question!

Well, I was talking specifically about professional cycling not college sports in general. I don't think cycling is that popular in US colleges. In any case we have all kinds of laws based on age: access to tobacco, alcohol, marijuana. Just because it is legal for adults does not mean you throw up your hands and give up when it comes to those underage.

At one point I thought this was the answer. When is it acceptable for your kid to start doping? 9th grade? I wonder how many kids on Bellevue Football would test positive? 18

It's time to legalize performance-enhancing substances and quit playing this charade

I made this claim first, in the sandy thread. I WIN!~ Only difference is....I am not making this claim. yet

Say that ten times as fast as you can....... Kevbone Kevbone Kevbone Kevbone Kevbone Kevbone Kevbone Kevbone Kevbone Kevbone

How about teachers that want it, can have a bottle of mace in their desk drawer, pocket/purse, whatever?

Clearly someone is off his meds again

Seriously. Then there's people like you that want the government to do everything then whine because there are taxes on everything to pay for all the goodies.

Right on all points

Not everyone.

Wait, again, another story of successful self-defense with a gun by a law-abiding citizen. Must be a fabrication - never happens!!

do it

Much appreciated, Water!

Anyone been up there recently?

Go Ron Paul!

No, but we took a look up there - there's some ice in and there was a boot path up to one flow at least, so someone was just up there.

Trip: Lane Peak - Lover's Lane Date: 1/13/2013 Trip Report: AC, CG, SG and I drove down to Rainier to climb Lane Peak on Sunday morning. We got to the Longmire gate a bit after 8 am and it was already open. Temps were quite nippy - about 15 degrees. The snow conditions were about what we expected - up to a foot or so of new powder on top of an older crust layer. It was breakable in places. We used snow shoes part way in but they were not helpful on the traverse under Denman, so we stashed them in a tree well. We opted to rope up for Lover's Lane, but without a belay until we checked it out. CG led up with 2 pickets and got out just over a rope's lengh. It started out cruiser but there was a firm steeper bit, so CG planted both pickets and brought me up. I then stretched out the rope and we simulclimbed to the top from there, placing 4 pickets and 1 black tri-cam. AC and SG followed on a 2nd rope. In places the snow was reasonably pleasant, where I could easily kick through the few inches of powder and get purchase to move up. In some spots my knee was functioning as a snow plow and wallowing was more involved than climbing. As I got near the top there was a nice breakable crust on the surface that I kicked through to get easy kick steps. This petered out near some small trees on climber's left, and the crust just broke away in plate-sized chunks that proceeded to fall, shatter and pummel my partners. I am not sure but I believe I heard exclamations of "Fuck Me!", "Get me the fuck out of this place" and "Dude, you're killing us, just fucking top out". There was a short, "interesting" downclimb to the tree for the rap down into the zipper. All the slings there were encased in a ring of ice, so we added two fresh ones and rappeled down on two ropes. One might have worked (with some down climbing on snow) - not sure. We then unroped and solo'd the top of the Zipper which is 100% deep powder now. As it was late in the afternoon, we snapped photos and headed down rather than tag the summit. We were a bit late getting to the Longmire gate (which closes at 6) and had to sheepishly ask a Ranger to let us out. Gear Notes: Ice axe, 2nd tool, pickets.

Ask your doctor. Ask someone at whatever place administers the flu vaccine nearest to you.

Science is hard!

Science is so hard!!!

It's all moot 'cause nothing that's ever worked anywhere else will ever work here -- we're too different. if only half the gun nuts put so much energy into losing 40 lbs or learning something to improve themselves. just sayin'

But do revolvers? I mean as opposed to say, a semi-automatic Glock? It would be nice to know, but in 1996 Republicans in congress successfully removed the budget line item that used to pay for exactly this kind of federal research, and then passed legislation blocking it from returning. You can thank then-Congressman Jay Dickey and the NRA for that. http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1487470 I guess it is all moot anyways as a large number of guns-rights people are of the boner's mentality that the 2nd amendment is not about self-defense or hunting but arming yourself against the gubmint

Nope. Not at all. Agreed. They went off the side towards the Upper Enchantments - a lot less risky than going over the N aspect.

Dave or Sam?