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Don't tell anyone (the internet is secure right?)but I have experience with the Bradley and the M1 Abrams. While the Bradley is fierce, the Abrams is absolutely lethal. Both are terribly expensive and if Ron Paul was President, unneeded. Sorry for more thread drift. Just trying to keep this site headed toward being a mini mini mini Facebook with participation. Well, if I could afford an M1 and need a weapon to protect me from my gov't, then why can't I own one? We should have militias that can buy M1's - for protection against our gov't, no? Prolly no law against it but expect government interference through the military contractor alliance. If you do pull it off expect men with good haircuts and black jackets to knock on your day sometime to wish you well. You do understand I am responding to boner's irrational justification of the "need" for automatic weapons, right?

Don't tell anyone (the internet is secure right?)but I have experience with the Bradley and the M1 Abrams. While the Bradley is fierce, the Abrams is absolutely lethal. Both are terribly expensive and if Ron Paul was President, unneeded. Sorry for more thread drift. Just trying to keep this site headed toward being a mini mini mini Facebook with participation. Well, if I could afford an M1 and need a weapon to protect me from my gov't, then why can't I own one? We should have militias that can buy M1's - for protection against our gov't, no?

Ron Paul's new slogan: "A chicken in every pot, an M1 Abrams in every garage!"

There is nothing to worry about - we don't have any oil.

Go Ron Paul!

While I'd prefer to do more, this seems like a reasonable start - in addition to required background checks/waiting periods/registrations for gun shows and a tighter leash on sellers at shows. I already stated I agree with these latter items.

There are handguns and there are handguns. Folks have a right to defend themselves, and I think there's a way to accommodate that right w/o owning semi-automatic pistols with large volume magazine clips. Everybody retains handguns and rifles. The only difference is no more rapid fire weapons. Rapid fire weapons have no place in hunting, and you probably don't need them for self defense unless your favorite hobby is gang warfare. I couldn't agree more. But to debate guns you have to absolutely understand the differences between types of guns and especially the difference between semi-auto (one trigger pull per shell) and full-auto (one trigger pull and lots of shells). Unfortunately semi-auto can be converted to full auto in assault rifles which is why they should be banned. But banning handguns when assault rifles are doing the damage is over the top. Hunting as about one or two quick shots with a rifle and thugs and gangs and serial killers are about full auto. But in Montana we don't want the latter to prevent the former because of idealists. I am OK with semiautomatic pistols if there are no removal clips - manufacturers can sell guns you load into the handle and you get one set of 6 or 8 shots or whatever is standard there. Also, you can own only one such gun for self-defense - no stockpiling weapons for the apocalypse, and sorry "collectors", find something else to collect.

Use a semi automatic weapon in a crime? Fast-track death penalty - trial and execution within 2 years.

Gay For once I agree with Prole. Gay, gay, gay. NTTAWWT

There are handguns and there are handguns. Folks have a right to defend themselves, and I think there's a way to accommodate that right w/o owning semi-automatic pistols with large volume magazine clips.

LOL. Good luck with that.

That's part of why I recommend the old trail - it's at most 25% as crowded. It is also steeper with a bit more gain. Well worth finding.

Four hours should be enough if you are a good hiker and driver. My best was 59 minutes on the main trail TH to touch the Haystack. But I know it has been done in under 40 minutes. Driving time is a separate issue and if you're smart you don't try for time going downhill. 3 hours car to car is pretty good time for most mere mortals (8 miles with 3300 foot gain)

Stretch it to 5 hours door to door and do Si (old trail)

agreed. course...to keep said laws on books will necessitate keeping libturds in office so the other side doesn't cut n' run later under the kinda sunset provisions that killed the original AW ban sunset provisions blow And Ivan, correct me but I think the gun sale loopholes have always existed (gun shows, etc). The same rules should apply to private sale as to sale anywhere.

agreed. course...to keep said laws on books will necessitate keeping libturds in office so the other side doesn't cut n' run later under the kinda sunset provisions that killed the original AW ban sunset provisions blow

Yeah, just ignore the other part of his post. Can't you at least acknowledge common ground, or is this a mental disorder itself? People are agreeing to ban assault weapons, closing gun sale loopholes. Let's hope momentum builds for that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder That's a great wiki link. Except autism isn't considered a personality disorder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/17/health/connecticut-shooting-autism/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 Dru should know better

"Removing large numbers of rapid-firing firearms from civilians may be an effective way of reducing mass shootings, firearm homicides and firearm suicides." Seems like a no-brainer: 1) reinstate the automatic weapons ban 2) have a federal "buy-back" program for folks who have the weapons already (legally or not - no questions asked) and want to sell them back (the gov't destroys them)

Many functioning adults in this society are autism spectrum/Asperger's and they are not in some custodial relationship with some "healthy" adult that is responsible for them. Do a news search and you'll see autism advocacy groups are getting pissed already at the attempts to linke autism/Asperger's to violent behavior.

I like Joe Lieberman's idea of having a bipartisan commission study these incidents and come up with a set of recommendations. The most likely actions would span a number of areas including, but not limited to, mental health assessment and treatment, evaluating the entertainment industry's role, and, of course, gun control. It is also on us all to help prevent these things from occurring - getting to know your neighbor, that problem/quirky kid, and yes, maybe being a "snitch" and proactively reporting someone that is "off", stockpiling weapons,etc. I've already posted above my thoughts on gun control I'd support. Scroll up. But let's be realistic, we have a stockpile of weapons in this country and a gun culture, so these events will still happen no matter what. It will take time to reduce them. This ship would turn very slowly.

It's funny that when it comes to gun rights this is a question, but if you substituted any other situation the answer is clear. Let's try it out. - The bank left the vault unlocked when the robbery took place and they stole all the cash in it. - The soldiers left the nuclear payload unsecured when the insurgents attacked the base. - You left your car unlocked and the thief stole the belongings. This women had some clear choices being faced with an unstable son. Secure the weapons in such a way he would never be able to get them OR just get rid of them. She choose not to. Wrong. If you leave your car unlocked and someone steals from you, it is still theft, they still committed a crime, not you. The owner is not charged with theft. Ditto for the bank vault. Good luck charging this woman for the crime, BTW. Prosecute her to the full extent of the law!

Well, that's Rob's assertion, so you might ask him.

Kind of like keeping your computer password a secret? That's 100% fool-proof, right?

How do you know that she did not have them in a lock box? Well, we definitely know that she failed to keep them secure one way or another, didn't she? That's how responsibility works. It was her job to be responsible for those guns. She failed. Oh, and let's not forget this is not a minor living in the home - the perpetrator was a grown adult, aged 20. And yes, that matters.