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LOL. How about compared to ummm like when LBJ set out to eliminate it. Compare $ thrown into it and the ROI. Progressives have big ideas and spend a lot of $ but that's about it. Anyways I thought I was clear that it would be good to end on some agreement above? Really, I have not been active in the Scouts for over 25 years - no skin off my teeth what they do. I just don't like bullies and bullying (ACLU and TTK), which is pretty much what the BSA has faced for decades. DenaliDave calls it right - it's good to walk up and challenge a bully.

"progress" LOLZ you think the social world of 1950 is better than today? holy shit, you shoulda grown up in south carolina w/ me, even in the '70s! What you guys want is "progress". Always. Gotta love the propaganda. How's that war on poverty going, BTW? Any progress yet?

"progress" LOLZ

no, i think the organization, despite its historical and modern flaws, can adapt to fight the modern era and serve a very good purpose, and i hope that it does in fact become more open to quote "red dawn," the bsa is "an elite para-military organization," and given that our national armed forces have embraced aethiests and boy-lovers of all stripes, i'm pretty sure the wussed-out version can too As I suspect, you just want to fling shit their way to see what sticks so the argument can be "all this talk of moral standards is bogus, so drop the pretense and let in everyone" I will agree that the BSA is a bit too quasi-military for my taste and some of the stuff they do seems kind of ghey in retrospect. We did have a very nice camp owned by the local scouts up in the High Sierras. All in all I got to spend about 8 weeks up there over a few years, and it helped get me pretty hooked on the alpine environment.

thus his deep fascination w/ early nazism, which was riddled w/ boy-buggers so clearly, knowing this horrific background, you reject the BSA and would rather nobody joins rather than adjust their participation req'ts to be more open, right?

hmm...pretty sure the aclu ain't part of the governmetn, just a buncha private citizens dedicated to making the government due what it's supposed to, by the rules. Yeah, 'cos nobody ever just caves in because of a prohibitively expensive law suit (or set of law suits over decades) from a bunch of social engineering types. And never mind lobbyists, or lawyers twisting things the way they want over decades to realize an agenda.

Who said the gov't was going after them? Social Engineering Thugs come in many forms, but mostly manifest themselves as Lawyers and/or members of the ACLU

9?? That would be Cub Scouts jesus, whatever, it's all the same organization. i did the gambit from age 7ish to 17, and the religious part did in fact help push me away... Well, I remember nothing at all about religion in the Cub Scouts. It was all about what amounted to "play dates" with your friends, and if you were lucky home-made cookies from your Den Mother. Yeah, that and the Pine-Wood Derby.

Let's end on some common ground, tovarishch

9?? That would be Cub Scouts

or the call to "bravery" is to stand up to social engineering thugs like yourself that try to force YOUR view of morality on an organization who views things differently.

People have been saying that for at least 30 years w/r/t gays and atheists in Scouting, and Scouting still exists. My point is not that you can't change them, however, if you know the organization requires a faith in a higher being, you join anyways, than make a big deal about being an atheist and complain about how the Scouts will not allow this, then you should not be surprised to be kicked out. Moreover, if you just go with the flow, most likely you'll be able to participate because there are very few times you'll be grilled on your belief in God - at least that was my experience, YMMV

drug, not druk sorry, i was channeling alex's pronuciation A role model? Pronunciation is close enough, but translieration rules are a bit different, tovarish. At first I thought you meant "moy drunk". LOL

drug, not druk sorry, i was channeling alex's pronuciation A role model? Pronunciation is close enough, but translieration rules are a bit different, tovarishch.

You know what I'm talking about Rob. But have your fun. Person 1: I'm agnostic/atheist, and I want to be in the scouts. Most of the time it never comes up. Well, pretty much never. So, I pick my battles and enjoy the experience there since it is 99.99% about things other than religion Person 2: I'm a loud-mouthed obnoxious ass. I know the Scouts require to profess a faith in some God, so I'll openly, constantly raise a stink about it. Are you person 2, Rob? I know TTK is.

He is a white guy. I consider Middle Eastern folks to be white, don't you? I mean, if not, what color are they? Just curious.

You know what I'm talking about Rob. But have your fun.

Maybe the ACLU can represent when you sue them? Only if he was excluded because he drew naked pictures of little boys. That's a case they'd have to get on.

The extent of "Christianity" in my experience was in reciting the Scout oath (much like the Pledge of Allegiance) from time to time, and in having that ONE question posed to me at the Eagle Scout review - "do you believe in a higher power". Nothing Christian, just a belief in a God, and it would only have blocked me from becoming an Eagle Scout. Keep your mouth shut and have fun and you can join and participate in the scouts just fine.

Scouting was fun, and got me into the outdoors. Looking back now that I climb, they didn't teach us very much about camping/backpacking - it was all more trial and error, very disorganized. I didn't get my kids into scouting as I'd rather go out with them on my own, at our own pace (faster than what you'd get otherwise), and skip a lot of the quasi-militaristic aspect to it. Don't like that Scouts want you to profess faith in a higher being, or be openly gay? Don't join. You can find plenty of other organizations elsewhere that'll get you into the outdoors.

You sure about that? You never had a teacher, boss, VP, company where someone in charge of your future or livelihood at the time was not a person of faith who made decisions based on that faith, including those relating to work and you?

You probably have been, are, and will be many more times in the future. That's life.

I would ignore it. There's all kind of goofy shit up in Seattle that I ignore.

drug, not druk

Well, you and Ivan's repeated anti-religious hate-speech bothers me. Much more than some picture could possibly harm you.