KaskadskyjKozak

he will be once JayB joins in.

you capricious, mean, draconian moderator you So you two are in lock-step now? Don't let any run down your casted leg Porter. That would probably itch for a really long time. be careful, or he'll change your member classification from "spray'prentice" to say "whinylittlebeyotch"

you capricious, mean, draconian moderator you

doing make-up while driving? TTK does this on his motocycle!!

Bug tried to go to a Pub Club once, but Feck banned him.

hey, that's the price of that "high-density" urban housing. all the urbanites have to live somewhere.

:tdown:

The Battle of Borodino, with the occupation of Moscow that followed it and the flight of the French without further conflicts, is one of the most instructive phenomena in history. All historians agree that the external activity of states and nations in their conflicts with one another is expressed in wars, and that as a direct result of greater or less success in war the political strength of states and nations increases or decreases. Strange as may be the historical account of how some king or emperor, having quarreled with another, collects an army, fights his enemy's army, gains a victory by killing three, five, or ten thousand men, and subjugates a kingdom and an entire nation of several millions, all the facts of history (as far as we know it) confirm the truth of the statement that the greater or lesser success of one army against another is the cause, or at least an essential indication, of an increase or decrease in the strength of the nation- even though it is unintelligible why the defeat of an army- a hundredth part of a nation- should oblige that whole nation to submit. An army gains a victory, and at once the rights of the conquering nation have increased to the detriment of the defeated. An army has suffered defeat, and at once a people loses its rights in proportion to the severity of the reverse, and if its army suffers a complete defeat the nation is quite subjugated. So according to history it has been found from the most ancient times, and so it is to our own day. All Napoleon's wars serve to confirm this rule. In proportion to the defeat of the Austrian army Austria loses its rights, and the rights and the strength of France increase. The victories of the French at Jena and Auerstadt destroy the independent existence of Prussia. But then, in 1812, the French gain a victory near Moscow. Moscow is taken and after that, with no further battles, it is not Russia that ceases to exist, but the French army of six hundred thousand, and then Napoleonic France itself. To strain the facts to fit the rules of history: to say that the field of battle at Borodino remained in the hands of the Russians, or that after Moscow there were other battles that destroyed Napoleon's army, is impossible. After the French victory at Borodino there was no general engagement nor any that were at all serious, yet the French army ceased to exist. What does this mean? If it were an example taken from the history of China, we might say that it was not an historic phenomenon (which is the historians' usual expedient when anything does not fit their standards); if the matter concerned some brief conflict in which only a small number of troops took part, we might treat it as an exception; but this event occurred before our fathers' eyes, and for them it was a question of the life or death of their fatherland, and it happened in the greatest of all known wars. The period of the campaign of 1812 from the battle of Borodino to the expulsion of the French proved that the winning of a battle does not produce a conquest and is not even an invariable indication of conquest; it proved that the force which decides the fate of peoples lies not in the conquerors, nor even in armies and battles, but in something else. The French historians, describing the condition of the French army before it left Moscow, affirm that all was in order in the Grand Army, except the cavalry, the artillery, and the transport- there was no forage for the horses or the cattle. That was a misfortune no one could remedy, for the peasants of the district burned their hay rather than let the French have it. The victory gained did not bring the usual results because the peasants Karp and Vlas (who after the French had evacuated Moscow drove in their carts to pillage the town, and in general personally failed to manifest any heroic feelings), and the whole innumerable multitude of such peasants, did not bring their hay to Moscow for the high price offered them, but burned it instead. Let us imagine two men who have come out to fight a duel with rapiers according to all the rules of the art of fencing. The fencing has gone on for some time; suddenly one of the combatants, feeling himself wounded and understanding that the matter is no joke but concerns his life, throws down his rapier, and seizing the first cudgel that comes to hand begins to brandish it. Then let us imagine that the combatant who so sensibly employed the best and simplest means to attain his end was at the same time influenced by traditions of chivalry and, desiring to conceal the facts of the case, insisted that he had gained his victory with the rapier according to all the rules of art. One can imagine what confusion and obscurity would result from such an account of the duel. The fencer who demanded a contest according to the rules of fencing was the French army; his opponent who threw away the rapier and snatched up the cudgel was the Russian people; those who try to explain the matter according to the rules of fencing are the historians who have described the event. After the burning of Smolensk a war began which did not follow any previous traditions of war. The burning of towns and villages, the retreats after battles, the blow dealt at Borodino and the renewed retreat, the burning of Moscow, the capture of marauders, the seizure of transports, and the guerrilla war were all departures from the rules. Napoleon felt this, and from the time he took up the correct fencing attitude in Moscow and instead of his opponent's rapier saw a cudgel raised above his head, he did not cease to complain to Kutuzov and to the Emperor Alexander that the war was being carried on contrary to all the rules- as if there were any rules for killing people. In spite of the complaints of the French as to the nonobservance of the rules, in spite of the fact that to some highly placed Russians it seemed rather disgraceful to fight with a cudgel and they wanted to assume a pose en quarte or en tierce according to all the rules, and to make an adroit thrust en prime, and so on- the cudgel of the people's war was lifted with all its menacing and majestic strength, and without consulting anyone's tastes or rules and regardless of anything else, it rose and fell with stupid simplicity, but consistently, and belabored the French till the whole invasion had perished. And it is well for a people who do not- as the French did in 1813- salute according to all the rules of art, and, presenting the hilt of their rapier gracefully and politely, hand it to their magnanimous conqueror, but at the moment of trial, without asking what rules others have adopted in similar cases, simply and easily pick up the first cudgel that comes to hand and strike with it till the feeling of resentment and revenge in their soul yields to a feeling of contempt and compassion.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

I'm the man now put the ball gag back in if your the man, then how come your always swingin that purse around? he's the man with the manzier, beyotch!

So are you saying you didn't lock the thread? Or are you saying you were going to reopen it without being poked? Or just what are we supposed to thank you for you sniveling little Jesus fart? dude, it's a goofy thread on a dumb forum. who cares if the moderator fucked with it? It's all goofy and dumb. So why post here at all? So you are OK with letting Feck's little mind control what you read here? Why roll over? Seriously, why keep posting here if Feck is going to say, "This doesn't interest me. I'm going to lock it." Feck has no sense of what it means to have an open conversation. It's his way or bullshit in his view. It seems like you would have a problem with that since you sometimes border on behavior that has been banned here in the past. But maybe you are not really into freedom. Maybe you would really like to ban or censor anyone who does not agree with you. I find many of your posts offensive but I fire back at you and assume it is all in the name of open communications. The open communication, the freedom to express ourselves completely, this is what makes it worthwhile to post and participate here at all. If you do not like a thread, don't read it. Block people who just do not interest you. But lock a thread so nobody can continue discussing the theme? Why? That question has not been answered. Feck's defensive posts are evidence to me that I am right about why he locked the thread. I think he is embarassed by his public display of narrow minded reasoning. He has had nothing tangible to say as a defense. I talk about maintaining the freedom to freely express our opinions and beliefs and he says "you're whining". If I don't call him a mental midget for this, who will? But hey, why are you still reading this dumbshit? Dude, STFU!

Number 2? How a propos...

So are you saying you didn't lock the thread? Or are you saying you were going to reopen it without being poked? Or just what are we supposed to thank you for you sniveling little Jesus fart? dude, it's a goofy thread on a dumb forum. who cares if the moderator fucked with it?

sounds like you prefer the withdrawal method

smell the glove!

It was obscured by the fat fucks in your building :moon: that was your reflection

Bennigsen's note and the Cossack's information that the left flank of the French was unguarded were merely final indications that it was necessary to order an attack, and it was fixed for the fifth of October. On the morning of the fourth of October Kutuzov signed the dispositions. Toll read them to Ermolov, asking him to attend to the further arrangements. "All right- all right. I haven't time just now," replied Ermolov, and left the hut. The dispositions drawn up by Toll were very good. As in the Austerlitz dispositions, it was written- though not in German this time: "The First Column will march here and here," "the Second Column will march there and there," and so on; and on paper, all these columns arrived at their places at the appointed time and destroyed the enemy. Everything had been admirably thought out as is usual in dispositions, and as is always the case, not a single column reached its place at the appointed time. When the necessary number of copies of the dispositions had been prepared, an officer was summoned and sent to deliver them to Ermolov to deal with. A young officer of the Horse Guards, Kutuzov's orderly, pleased at the importance of the mission entrusted to him, went to Ermolov's quarters. "Gone away," said Ermolov's orderly. The officer of the Horse Guards went to a general with whom Ermolov was often to be found. "No, and the general's out too." The officer, mounting his horse, rode off to someone else. "No, he's gone out." "If only they don't make me responsible for this delay! What a nuisance it is!" thought the officer, and he rode round the whole camp. One man said he had seen Ermolov ride past with some other generals, others said he must have returned home. The officer searched till six o'clock in the evening without even stopping to eat. Ermolov was nowhere to be found and no one knew where he was. The officer snatched a little food at a comrade's, and rode again to the vanguard to find Miloradovich. Miloradovich too was away, but here he was told that he had gone to a ball at General Kikin's and that Ermolov was probably there too. "But where is it?" "Why, there, over at Echkino," said a Cossack officer, pointing to a country house in the far distance. "What, outside our line?" "They've put two regiments as outposts, and they're having such a spree there, it's awful! Two bands and three sets of singers!" The officer rode out beyond our lines to Echkino. While still at a distance he heard as he rode the merry sounds of a soldier's dance song proceeding from the house. "In the meadows... in the meadows!" he heard, accompanied by whistling and the sound of a torban, drowned every now and then by shouts. These sounds made his spirits rise, but at the same time he was afraid that he would be blamed for not having executed sooner the important order entrusted to him. It was already past eight o'clock. He dismounted and went up into the porch of a large country house which had remained intact between the Russian and French forces. In the refreshment room and the hall, footmen were bustling about with wine and viands. Groups of singers stood outside the windows. The officer was admitted and immediately saw all the chief generals of the army together, and among them Ermolov's big imposing figure. They all had their coats unbuttoned and were standing in a semicircle with flushed and animated faces, laughing loudly. In the middle of the room a short handsome general with a red face was dancing the trepak with much spirit and agility. "Ha, ha, ha! Bravo, Nicholas Ivanych! Ha, ha, ha!" The officer felt that by arriving with important orders at such a moment he was doubly to blame, and he would have preferred to wait; but one of the generals espied him and, hearing what he had come about, informed Ermolov. Ermolov came forward with a frown on his face and, hearing what the officer had to say, took the papers from him without a word. "You think he went off just by chance?" said a comrade, who was on the staff that evening, to the officer of the Horse Guards, referring to Ermolov. "It was a trick. It was done on purpose to get Konovnitsyn into trouble. You'll see what a mess there'll be tomorrow."

virendra7: crossing chicken, luv making, threswholed conscioussssness, nirvana-being, husband's brother

kevbone: what's a chicken? what's a road? david schuldt: liars and crooks sed that the Bushies sent him their to help steel the 2008 ecleshun mattp: this is another abrogation of our civil liberties. we have no right to ask why the chicken crossed the road or monitor his activities. once again an abuse of power by the Bush administration and the Patriot Act

seems that it's already time to pull this one out: plus ca change...

He'll win over TTK, Kevbone, and Chuckie in the end.

TTK and Kevbone - like minded in all ways.

Hell yes. You would be a moron to vote for another republican, unless you like the slid that this REPUBLICAN president has put us in? Yes I blame Bush and his cronies…..the buck must stop somewhere! everyone: vote with Kevbone.

there's a ringing endorsement to vote Democrat.

Come on Tucker, I thought by now you'd figure out that I reserve such treatment for self-described members of the literati who publicly suffer delusions of adequacy despite their obvious lack of intellect. Your use of google searches and online dictionaries to nitpick typos on a bullshit internet forum has truly shown your intellect. And the you-tube posts - brilliant. Really. Poor little Beta, you'll never rate.