MisterMo

Joe Morovitz

I used one for several years until it was stolen. It provided the essentials of warmth and quelled any desire to sleep late in the morning. Perfect for the hard core, somewhat lacking for moonlit sex on the heather.............

Wasn't a contributing factor in Beck Weathers deal on Everest the fact that he'd had corrective eye surgery and a side effect of that was that he could'nt see shit at altitude? I remember something like that in the book anyhow.

Some stuff about OJ Simpson in another thread prodded this curiosity to the top of the list. Ponder the following: OJ was acquitted of killing his wife but in a subsequent civil proceeding was 'guilty' enough of the same crime to have a multi-million dollar judgement against him, correct? So, I realize there were different juries involved, and I further realize that criminal and civil juries are subject to slightly different standards of certainty (or I'm pretty sure anyway) so what happened was 'legal'. But I'm curious what people here think (If anybody cares): Is it just? If you're not guilty in a criminal sense, is it just that you could be found guilty in the civil sense?

I don't think it bends any rules so long as you don't try to fool the world or yourself that you did otherwise...in which instance it would be the equivalent of peeking at Solitaire.

That or something similar struck here a while back. Pretty much did in the local beekeepers. Besides honeybees I notice that mud dauber Wasps are in short supply. I'm curious why Yellow Jacket and bald faced Hornet populations seem unaffected. I wouldn't be suprised if pesticides and all that other junk are a big part of the problem.

No, it wasn't either one of them. We have standards in Tiny Town.

How about with spats? Then it would look pretty natty.

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. Emerging from the cramped and Stygian darkness of the Bush House crawl space to widespread acclaim and gratitude I was able to renegotiate my benefit package to include a hot shower, a couple of drinks....and.... a third floor quickie. While this may be a bit too much information, it also brings my post much more closely into line with the original thread topic.

...if, of course, your house was built since the code took effect. Once back in the day I accepted a New York Strip dinner for two as payment for unplugging the drain line running from the second floor showers at the Bush House here in Tiny-Town. It involved two supertight belly crawls under beams, and then sort of curling up in a masive snarl of (hot, natch)unsecured Romex and undoing a plug aimed to drench me completely in used shower-water. I think the arrangement met 1899 code; it was not the easiest way to a steak dinner, and it certainly had nothing to do with rich divorcees.

Jump back, Jack Open both eyes and read my post again. Maybe focus on what I actually said instead of what you want to respond to. What I'm pretty sure I said was that you only had to be angry for a brief jiffy in order to shoot someone, and, that most other methods of harm would take more time and thus more than a brief instant of anger, therefore, in a conflict where killing was NOT premeditated (nor desired, for that matter) the presence of a gun made a very large difference. I think that's a pretty rational point of view. I don't think it's, reactionary, or one-dimensional, nor does it go into love, hate, or any other emotional relationships I might have with firearms. You don't agree with what I say; that's all cool; I'm a big boy; I'll get over it. But I'll not be held accountable for what I didn't say, OK?

No, it's not nearly that simple. For premeditated killing I agree, any method will work because the intent to harm is present over an extended period of time. But in a case like the recent Index shooting, no way. It only takes one irrational second, actually less, to pull a trigger. To kill someone almost any other way takes a bunch more time and effort....one has to stay that mad or wigged out or ??? for that much longer and that's unlikely when killing was not the original goal. Had the assailant had a knife, a club, or any other murder weapon that comes to mind in his hip pocket I submit it's unlikely that a killing would have taken place. An assualt, maybe, but not a killing. That's my thesis anyhow. Never checked it out and I really hope that never changes.

I think the both the temp and season of the year are as important considerations as anything. Early winter can be sketchy as stuff is drifted over but hasn't undergone enough freeze/thaw cycles to be strong, whereas by March or so snowed over stuff is about as safe as it's going to get...leastwise in the Cascades.

The firn line and the neve line being one and the same, of course, for those who may bump into one term or the other.

Wear yer woolies. Fresh snow down to the top of the wall at dusk. Sleet in town. I liked the drought better

I gots. Whatzit worth today?

That is a really creepy site, what with the organ music and all. I won't be going back there. Not to speak ill of the dead - Warren was a very competent and experienced climber and a casual friend - but even in the context of the time some large mistakes were made there. Beginner or not, heading up Baker in, I think, Levis and a sweatshirt, is just not a good route to longevity. Heading up the Coleman Glacier Headwall in a single long rope of however many there were is not such a hot idea either. Still, like a lot of stuff in climbing, it boils down to luck. Many are the days that the above would not pose an issue at all. Warren Bleser subsequently perished on the N Face of the Matterhorn later in the same decade.

This is the penguin whose car breaks down in South Dakota in August is it not?

This is into one of the little teensy gear loops or something? Yikes! Interestingly enough with the monstrous WISHA approved full-body 'Kondike Klod' harnesses that is where the law insists you tie in: to a monster D ring in the middle of your back. Totally retarded but they insist you'll die instantly from a snapped spine or slowly and horribly from suffocation if you tie in any other way to any other kind of harness. No amount of examples to the contrary from an old, fat veteran of years of swami belt use will convince them otherwise. You do get a cool 'Peter Pan' effect when thus suspended and hanging freely. Once in a while a careless, unsuspecting soul will get to close to the monorail hoist in our fab shop while wearing such a harness. They quickly find themselves helplessly suspended and zinging back & forth along the rail. Nobody makes that mistake twice...

Didn't mean to bury you in trivia; it just sort of got flowing... Save that photo. Better yet post it. Did the Ski Tav have the snooker table? One of those places did.

OK. I'll play. How many y'all: Ate at pre Bavarian Shelton's Cafe with climbing photos of Angel Crack on the walls? Climbed Trigger Finger (in it's 'turgid' state)? Slept in cabin at 8-mile Rock? Hiked in Mountaineer Creek from 8 Mile Rock Trailhead? Climbed old P2 of Town Crier (before it fell off)? Remember where the quarry pond at Lower Town Wall used to be? And for 100 points and a free turn: What was the name of the Gas Station/Burger joint where Gustav's now stands?

The main, in fact, the only thing Goldline had going for it was that it was cheaper than Perlon. Huge stretch under body weight...kinks from hell...still, a lot of people used it and it was obviously preferable to Manila. One of the incidents leading to the birth of MSR was breakage of a 3/8" Goldline (a common diameter for glacier sloggers back then) under body weight!

Right on. Don't stop. 1967

I, uh, climbed on Manila rope for a couple of years. Mostly volcano slogs and 4th class stuff. Took a lot of top rope falls on it.

Not to speak ill of the dead but right alongside his flashes of brilliance Hunter could also in his writing be vicious as a mink and often unfairly so.