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Not like the shrill debate between conservatives and liberals is anywhere near limited to this forum, nor is this forum the worst for shrill interactions between these parties. No matter which side of the debate you are on(or if you in the middle), you've got to recognize that this is the problem. If we can't work together and find middle ground, then we are reduced to shouting at each other from across the the room. I don't fault Obama for the latest action, except perhaps for the calculated political shrewdness of the move. It was a smart chess move. Congress wasn't doing shit. Nobody wants to piss off the "Latino Vote". If you want to win, you have to figure out how to gain their trust, and wrapped up in that is a bunch of illegal immigrants. So Obama gave temporary (temporary!) legal status to a subset of the illegal immigrants (ones with kids born in the US? Something like that). So he basically forced the hand of the Republicans, using an instrument that despite how conservatives want to paint it, he hasn't used as much as his predecessors. Yes, it is legal status to a bunch of illegals...but its TEMPORARY. So figure it out, kick them out if that is the right thing to do. Whatever. But do something. Both parties need to come together and figure out the right course of action. If it is truly a bipartisan bill then that can happen, and nobody/everybody is to blame. Anyway, the big elephant in the room with this move IMO is that you are asking these people to sign up as illegals for temporary amnesty or whatever. Who is to say that list isn't used to kick them out later? Obama isn't giving these people a free pass, he can't. He just gave them a temporary one. What a DICKTATOR! Just like FDR with his 3721 executive orders. The power is still with congress to act for a permanent solution.

I know some of you have amassed a small climbing gear museum...either collectable old climbing gear, or historically significant gear bootied on climbs you have done. I (and I think others) would be interested in seeing what you have. So show off some pics and description of have you've got!

LITERALLY ROOSEVELT!!!!

AMIRITE????

tonight.

maybe its god calling. he wants his money back.

Yep, paints mountains too, but obviously this show isn't about them.

Many of you on here know Jeff Hansel and have climbed or skied with him. He is having an art opening at the Sisko Gallery this Thursday from 6-8pm. Come check it out at 3126 Elliot Ave. http://www.siskogallery.com/artists/jeff_hansel/jeff_hansel_about_artist.html http://www.siskogallery.com/artists/jeff_hansel/jeff_hansel.html

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Hi Chuck! Hope you are well! Cool TR.

[video:youtube]Qchy7BVid9Q cool perspective, but probably annoying to run in when you're out for some personal mountain experience time.

No doubt, Steph slays it, just like pretty much everything else she does!

Terrible. RIP buddy.

Well i think there is information there that could lead you to draw your own conclusions. It definitely could have been done better (like plot all the accidents on a web map that allows you to look at topography) and other better data visualizations. But nothing wrong with showing the basics, there are new climbers born every day, everyone's gotta learn.

Interesting stuff: http://publications.americanalpineclub.org/articles/13201212568/Danger-Zones-Mt-Rainier

I don't even have the internet man. Someone else is posting this for me.

I don't even...

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damn it that vid just ruined my onsite betaless repeat. in fact, just knowing that the route exists ruined it for me. what a rig! would have preferred some death metal with it more though, seems like that would fit better.

If this goes through the terrorists have won.

Someone please tell me this is an Onion article. I supposed to many people taking photographs were wearing out the landscape.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/09/24/u-s-forest-service-wants-to-charge-1500-to-take-photos-on-federal-wild-lands/ $1500 to take photos in Federal Wilderness. Who owns these lands after all? Oh thats right, we do.