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Nice work guys. Damn, Ade, you've been busy this month! Thanks for writing it up. kellie

Lichtenberg was nice on Friday. Conditions were only ok, but what a beautiful day.

thanks Don.

sweet; thanks!

Any word on whether anything is in around Hope?

sweet; thanks dru.

Amish girl is glad she went to Leavenworth and climbed dry cold rock instead. Thanks for the conditions report.

Will there be the traditional pre-slideshow beer available tonight or should we bring our own?

Yeah, I still have the snow stakes. Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier, I've been in Costa Rica. I'm in Seattle.

Leashes sold. Somebody need shoes and bike accessories?

Rope bag and gloves are sold. Anyone who PMd me about the leashes, I'll let you know asap if the first guy doesn't take them.

I can't view "Active Topics" without getting spray. If I click on "spray free" it automatically takes me back to all active posts. Is this still being worked on or is it my computer? Also it would be really nice if you could set your preferences for this view so you don't have to click four different times to get to the view you want.

Trying to clean out the closet. Buy some of my stuff! Cloudveil Troller gloves, size medium, $24 SOLD La Sportiva Miuras, size 40, $35 La Sportiva Katanas, size 40.5, $25 Black Diamond Lockdown leashes, $10 SOLD Black Diamond superslacker rope bag, $10 SOLD Fritschi Daimir ski crampons, never used, $20 And a couple things I fogot to put on the first time: Deluxe (or Deeeeluxe, as lunger would say) bike pump, $10. Also I have no photo but I have a Rocky Mount front fork mount bike rack compatible with Yakima roof rack, $35. Anyone who wants these can just have them.

Can someone please explain to me why spending my tax dollars on rescuing people is so bad that several times a year we have to got through a cycle of bitching about it, but spending my tax dollars on enormous visitors' centers, RV hookups, and paved nature trails for people who don't want to get more than 500 yards away from their cars merits no comment whatsoever? If I'm going to complain about where my tax dollars go, it would be turning the wilderness into Disneyland, not rescuing folks who are in trouble.

Dude, the love between Team A and Team B is clearly doomed, kind of like the Montagues and Capulets. I am, as always, in awe of you both.

If I played that would be a tempting offer, but I don't and my dad is running up big medical bills right now, so I'm sticking with cash, sorry. I'm willing to be flexible on the price though.

that's because there's no point in reporting those routes that goes at 5.6 moss, 5.4 trees, and 5.scary shitty licheny rock. which you bailed from in the end anyway.

Still available.

Anyone been in there recently? How broken up is it? How's the schrund?

I find it interesting that topropers are such a problem. I must not crag enough or not at the right places. I've definitely skipped more routes I hoped to lead because a leader was taking for-freaking-ever to get up them than I have because people were toproping them.

Sweet. I'll email you next week.

Rob, buddy, you know you NEED this van. I'll even deliver it to Portland for you; I gotta be down there the week of the 15th. We should have a drink then regardless.

FOR SALE: 1993 GMC Safari AWD van 164,486 miles Exterior color green, interior color gray. Van has a 4.3L V6 CPI engine and a 3-speed automatic transmission with overdrive. It includes Hankook all-weather tires with lots of tread left, power windows, tilt steering wheel, cruise control, tinted glass, interval wipers, rear defroster, front bucket seats, power mirrors, rear wiper, cup holders, and power door locks. Comes with brand new battery. Extras include Yakima ski and bike racks, Pioneer stereo with cd player, four studded snow tires, jumper cables, curtains, Chilton’s manual. Great for road trips: Bed platform built into the back with drawers for storage. Owner since 1998 was a contractor and climber who did most of his own maintenance. He left it with me when he moved to Thailand and has now decided not to return. $1800.

It's pretty presumptuous of you to assume that anyone who is top roping something you happen to feel like leading doesn't aspire to be a leader, or isn't *already* a leader, and just happens to be following their friend up a climb, or out for an easy day. Just because someone is seconding, or even thirding, Penny Lane doesn't mean they can't lead, and they could very well lead a hell of a lot harder than 5.9. How is it not selfish behaviour to expect everyone to leap off climbs that they got to first and bow and scrape out of your way because "I'M A LEADER!"?? Finally, how is following not toproping? And how is it that you can't learn anything about climbing except by leading? Does your brain shut off when you're not leading or what?

If you want to climb popular moderates that are less than ten minutes' walk from the parking lot on a holiday weekend you're likely going to have to wait. I find it hard to believe that is so very different from back in the day. And by the way, when you follow, you're on top rope, whether it is something you would lead or not.