Gaper_Jeffy

Thanks to the millions of people here who read this post and PM'd me to buy a pass (alright no one from here actually did), I am now a pass holder: If you're looking for others to buy a pass with still feel free to PM me as I may be able to point you towards others.

Exactly, that's why you sell your pass in the parking lot after a few hours

I was actually thinking of re-selling (or giving away) your card after you finished your day. Since the bachy cards are worn around your neck (or girth-hitched to a zipper), they are easier to detach and re-attach without notice.

Yeah but Bachy's scan cards are easier to disconnect from your jacket and give to another person then a standard lift ticket is.

Was the hairline fracture diagnosed via a bonescan? If he has such a fracture and he continues to push it he'll completely fuck himself. Have him see an Ortho immediately, then call the Ortho before his appt to tell him to scare the shit out of your dad.

Glass gives good advice. If you have a severe case also consider wearing a night splint to bed. Ala: Your SO will find this incredible sexy. You can get them here: http://www.roadrunnersports.com/cgi-bin/rrs/rrs/ProductPg.jsp?baseProdKey=RRPRO012&catOID=-8951&BV_SessionID=@@@@1008335552.1096697563@@@@&BV_EngineID=ladclighlhjdbekgcgecfeedgg.0

That's interesting. Skiing on the *clearing throat noise* mighty Muir snowfield on Thursday we witnessed a surprisingly amount of rock fall higher on Rainier. Then today (Friday) I was on the Palmer (w/ that TAY group you may/may not have seen the day prior), we saw a giant dust cloud coming from the southside of Steel Cliffs that must have been caused by rock fall. I didn't hear the rock fall but the dust cloud stuck around for quite a while. Do you think the wet weather from the past month may be a factor? A lot of snow has melted off the southside of Hood in the past 9 days.

Neat TR! Really? I've always combined the first two pitches but I didn't know you could combine all 3 . . . That's interesting to know, thanks for the info!

My neighbor uses WiFi. I've learned quite a bit about her sniffing her traffic. Oh wait, I'm kidding really.

I wonder if Riley will make a proposal to the tribe that own's the Whitewater side of Mt Jefferson?

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Best case scenarios is an eruption of viscous lava which grows the lava dome. We need many of such erruptions to get St Helens back to its former height. I can dream can't I?

Sweeettt!!! Excellent prose.

It's a joke, Justin. Bird Creek Meadows is the name of one of the beautiful meadows in the Yakima Indian reservation that'd likely be irreversibly altered by development.

No. But you're statement begins to beg an interesting question. If the Yakimas approve the resort who will you be more upset at: MHM, the Yakima tribe, Nixon for giving away federal land, or our country's forefathers for not slaughtering all the Indians? More hugs, kisses and sarcasm, Gaper Jeffey PS: Again I hope the resort isn't built but the decision is up to the Yakimas.

You hear that Iain?

Yes, yes I know. The South side route is particularly a gem. It is so quite, pristine and peaceful on that side of the mountain; I never feel like I'm in the middle of a massive circus. And those damn Indians, how dare they ever consider infringing on our quality of life! This is just one more reason (not like anyone here needs one) we should keep up our 400 year history of Native American abuse and repression. Hugs and kisses, Gaper Jeffey

Bird Creek Meadows (formerly known as Mt Hood Meadows) is again offering $400 season passes to groups of 4 if purchased by November 7th. I'm looking for a few others to form a group, please PM me if interested. If you live in the PDX area this is an economical way to ski a lot. Note that these passes are for Hood Meadows. The details of this pass are here: http://www.skihood.com/Pricing/SeasonPasses/4Buy4/default.aspx Here's a few Meadows photos from last year: Thanks! Jeff

I'm completely against it. However I'm more against infringement on Native American tribal sovereignty. I really hope the resort isn't built, but if it is I'll fully respect the Indians decision to decide what happens on their land. Historically we've treated the Indians very badly, let's not continue that trend.

Why do you not think it was "proper"? How does an agreement regarding allowing recreational access to areas within the reservation boundrary relate to the current issue?

Fairweather, at what level do you believe in Native American tribial sovereignty?

From http://www.oregonlive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news/109594106889030.xml?oregonian?lcg Yakama tribe gets proposal for Mount Adams ski resort Mt. Hood Meadows outlines an 11,000-acre project that would include a casino, housing, golf courses and cultural museum Thursday, September 23, 2004 MARK LARABEE Mt. Hood Meadows Development Corp. is proposing a destination resort on tribal land on Mount Adams in rural south-central Washington that would have 10 ski lifts and three 18-hole golf courses. From Our Advertiser As presented to the Yakama Indian Nation, the 10,000-member tribe that owns the land, the resort would encompass 11,000 acres near Bird Creek Meadows. It's a popular area now used by campers, climbers, backcountry skiers and hikers. Meadows' proposal includes eight chairlifts, a gondola and a tram that would take skiers as high as 11,100 feet above sea level from 5,400 feet -- the biggest vertical rise for any ski area in North or South America. It also proposes three golf courses, a spa, a casino and 2,500 housing units -- a mix of hotel rooms, condominiums and single-family homes. There also would be ski lodge and golf clubhouse buildings, plus a small village with restaurants and shops. Meadows has struggled to build destination resorts at Government Camp and Cooper Spur on Mount Hood. Dave Riley, Meadows general manager, said the project also would include the Yakama Nation Institute of Learning, which is envisioned as an interpretive center for classes and a museum to highlight the tribe's history and culture. He said everything from the building design to food would incorporate Yakama culture. Although acknowledging opposition from environmental groups, Riley said Meadows will use cutting-edge building practices that focus on sustainability and environmental ethics. "It's clear that if this resort is developed, the Yakama Nation will insist that it will be the most environmentally sensitive development in the history of resorts," Riley said. "At the end of the day, they are going to do what they think is right for their resources and their people." At 12,276 feet, Mount Adams is the second-highest peak in Washington after 14,411-foot Mount Rainier. Its massive girth makes it the second-largest Cascade volcano in volume behind 14,162-foot Mount Shasta in California. But Adams is far from major towns, and a resort there would require significant road improvements to handle traffic, Riley said. Ownership dispute The mountain is not without controversy. For nearly five decades, the Yakama tribe battled with the U.S. government over its ownership. The tribe said boundary lines were incorrectly drawn after a surveying error. President Richard Nixon ended the dispute in 1972 when he signed over half the mountain to the tribe. Tribal leaders acknowledge that such an aggressive development would drastically change the character of the mountain they hold sacred. "Our understanding, even in a contemporary setting, is that if it was not for Mount Adams, the watershed would not be there to provide the nourishment for our timber, and all the food and medicine for our people," said Jerry Maninick, Yakama tribal chairman. "That's part of the commitment the mountain made to the Creator for all of eternity. Her task would be to take care of us and provide for us." Maninick said some tribal members think the resort proposal fits within that cultural belief. He agrees with Riley that the resort would be a financial boon for the economically struggling tribe. Today, tribal members rely on forest products, a small casino in Toppenish, a juice company, a land-holding company and farms for income. Benefits for Yakamas Riley said the proposal would be a partnership in which the tribe would own the land while Meadows would build and run the resort. Tribal members would get jobs and a share of the profits, he said. Maninick said the tribal council has formed a committee to look at whether such a development is feasible and in its best economic and cultural interest. Meadows has not yet released its proposal to the public. But similar proposals in the past have gone nowhere, and the tribe shut down a small ski resort on the land after it regained ownership. So far, Maninick said tribal members seem to be split over the idea. Eventually, all voting members will be asked to weigh in -- a vote Maninick expects to come by year's end. Maninick said the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs also would review the proposal and take testimony. The resort proposal is drawing critics outside the tribe. "We will fight the Meadows proposal with everything that we have," said Brent C. Foster, a Hood River attorney with the Gifford-Pinchot Task Force, an environmental group focused on reducing clear-cutting and road density, and preserving wildlife habitat. "This is incredibly important habitat, and the idea of putting thousands of luxury vacation units up there is an outrage, to put it mildly." Opposition on Hood Meadows' proposal to build a similar resort on Mount Hood's Cooper Spur continues to have fierce opposition from environmental groups and some Hood River Valley residents who rely on the watershed for drinking and irrigation. The ski company and opponents are in mediation over the plan. Riley reluctantly acknowledges the political fight ahead. He said many people will try to tell the Yakama Nation what to do. "Central Oregon has 25 golf courses," Riley said. "Some people think that's a great thing in terms of quality of life, and others would say Central Oregon would be better off it if didn't have any. This is the Yakama Nation's decision, not the Sierra Club's." Maninick said although he's undecided, he's intrigued by the long-term economic prosperity the resort promises. Even so, he said, the tribe might not be ready to take such a drastic step. "One of the areas our people have difficulty in is economics," he said. "It's almost always difficult for us to adjust ourselves to the contemporary setting. It's a high-risk area for our people, and they're a little gun-shy." Mark Larabee: 503-294-7664; marklarabee@news.oregonian.com

On an unrelated note: Anyone know why this thread is scrolling horizontally? There are no large photos, and my resolution is at a nice 1280x1024. Edit to add: I guess it's the large link pasted in by David Parker. David could you edit that link adding a short label using the [ url ] syntax?