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If anyone's looking for a pair, i have a pair of 43's.

Commit to a springtime goal that requires you be in peak form. Something that makes you freak out a little every time you start thinking of slacking off.

Please step away from the ganja.

Is it even possible for you to stay on topic and not drift off into flights of irrevalency?? How did you make it through college? [handholding] Perhaps you ought to go back and revisit my original point and consider who the target audience is for the ad. [/handholding]

Gee, mattp, I thought the only point that I was making as that you should allow people to make their own decisions about joining the Army. I doubt very much I was being inherently 'pro-military'. The interesting thing here for me is how a 'certain section' of people (to use your phraseology) seem unable to disassociate those who join the military (who have their own reasons for wanting to join) and those who choose when and where to send the military. If you think that the military is an inherently evil organization (which you seem to), then I think you need to prove that point without referencing the current goat-fuckers in office. If you can't do that, all you're doing is projecting your hatred of said goat-fuckers onto another group of people whose job it is to obey the directives of those in office. Now, if you want them out of Iraq, try convincing the other set of goat-fuckers to find the cojones to pull them out. Good luck with that. Back to my original point, even back in the 70's, when I was a kid and had far less access to information than kids these days, we weren't under any illusion of what the military was about and what it meant if you enlisted. If you can't trust 18 y.o. kids to make an intelligent kind of decision like that, how can you trust them with anything important like college, career, getting married, having kids, drinking, driving, smoking dope, etc? Maybe you should just follow them around until they're 30 say 'Oh, don't do that. You don't know what you're thinking. You're not mature enough to make this decision'. I'm sure they'll appreciate it.

I have yet to see v7 posit a cogent argument. Why do you hold v7 to a different standard than others?? So far, all I've seen is incoherent babbling and repetitive paranoid drivel.

Probably not. Other countries have smaller forces and nukes and don't use them. We've also been involved in other ugly conflicts and not used them. We'd also probably have a different force balance and work harder to join forces with allies rather than pissing them off and going cowboy. As we've seen, the nuke button is a hard one to push for several different reasons.

Apparently only large enough to go on peace-keeping missions with the UN. If you got rid of all the people who signed up knowing full well what they were getting themselves in for, that'd probably just about do it.

Speaking of the military and it being outside the 'climbing culture', I hope if any of you are ever at the 14K base camp on Denali, you'll express your views on recruiting to the fine gentlemen from the 10th Mountain Division who are often there assisting the NPS rangers. I'm guessing, for some of you, that would be your first ever encounter with a soldier.

Mattp, I'm hardly wrapping myself in the cloak of patriotism here. I'm sure if they'd put up a banner for Walmart, people would be just as torqued, even though, arguably, a lot of people here probably get crap there for climbing trips. How many climbers have I gone out with who stop at the McD's in Leavenworth? How about banner for them? Seems that's part of 'climbing cluture'. Where do you draw that imaginary line? I suppose if the CEO of backcountry.com made some obscene salary that exacerbates the rich/poor wage gap, there'd also be objections to them having ads, even though they're serving this 'climbing culture' you keep talking about but never define. Seems to me climbers are a more diverse lot than you seem to think they are. I'm sure that if the ad had been for the Peace Corps, there'd have been no objections, right?

my exact sentiment. we are conditioned in this country to feel that our soldiers are never wrong. our motives never devious. how could you not support that cute boy on the poster...??? we are fed this crap about freedom gained and preserved by war. honesty tells me that the freedom they are protecting is the one to make 100k a year. period. thats what we want and we will kill for it....... appalling gullibility elects mf'r like w's it also provides trillions to a war machine. to call the result ,freedom is grotesque. look, I'm no fan of the Shrub (no one would ever mistake me for a Republican), but I think I'll let someone else handle this load of random drivel...

climbing culture? you mean like taking risks, thinking for yourself, and being an individual? or did you mean shopping at PCC, drinking fair trade coffee, reading Mother Jones, listening to that awful Dave Matthews, and 'sticking it to The Man' like all the other so-called 'cultures' in Seattle??? Really, what is the 'climbing culture'? What about our conservative friends? Are they not part of said 'culture' or are they 'persona non-grata'? As for 'manipulative advertising', i think all the adults here can make decisions for themselves without being 'protected', thanks kindly. And if I had kids, I wouldn't let them make such a profound life decision without being involved but I certainly wouldn't keep them from it if that's what they really wanted. Raise your kids to think for themselves and they won't need you looking over their shoulder all the time. If other people's kids want to join up, that's not your 'problem', and you certainly have no say in the matter. While you're at it, maybe you could explain what the 'mission' of the site is? I seemed to think it was about trip reports, partner hookups, gear/technique, and a healthy bit o' spray. I didn't realize we'd become Habitat for Humanity or Greenpeace.... Did I miss the memo?

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There's this thing, some of you might want to go take a class in it or something, it's called 'ignoring shit'. Maybe you can get Whole Foods or PCC to sponsor one.

Thanks. Not trying to do anything other than reorg the main drive.

Is there a good utility, perhaps free, for repartitioning a drive that has WinXP and an older version (v8) of SUSE Linux?

An explosion? Sounds like the suicide bombing terrorist snaffles have brought the war over here, probably through Canada.

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Have you asked him about the bio-genic origin of petroleum yet? That shit never gets old.

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Tell me about it. Hope you get well soon, porter. Flirt with the nurses and keep your hands off of other people's meds.

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I hated those HD groups going through Tuolumne. Wished I'd had an RPG with me a lot of times.