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Scot I'd rather go up to the Elliot and flail my way up the ice, but thanks for the invite. They learn to: a. look like a real dork with shorts over polypro b. to tie a few basic climbing knots c. to set up a basic belay d. to put on and use crampons e. a few rock climbing techniques f. to be a safe, beginning climbing party member. You know the basic stuff it takes to get started climbing.

Dru Can you fill me in on the physics explained in that article on how they work? I'm not an engineer but have always wondered how the screamer really dissipates the energy and lessens the force on the anchor. The first law of thermodynamics basically says that the energy in a system is constant. Newton's second law states that force=mass times acceleration. So you fall on a screamer, the potential energy of the falling climber becomes kinetic energy that is spread between the anchor, rope, screamer, climber and other gear. I can see how the screamer changes the deceleration and thus the force on the anchor but how do the ripping threads really eat up the energy or just change it into a bunch of smaller impacts spread out in time on the anchor? No I'm not a geek , just want to know how they work.

Probably not cause they don't have the time and avatars to keep up with pros like you!

Necro, blah, blah Touched a nerve, eh Dicknob? It's OK, you can still wear your Mounties dodeca-ply goretex sash with your Walking badge of Mountain Acheivement sewn on, next to your badges for Trail Identification, Overpreparedness, and Shorts Over Polypro. Maybe someday one of your instructor Demi-gods will let you go outside without fifty other people holding you hand. Necro Sorry I'm not a Mountie, nor do I wear shorts over polypro. Hope that doesn't disappoint you. I don't like climbing in groups of 12, or 30, or 50. But it doesn't bother me that groups exist out there to teach people to climb and enjoy the great outdoors that we enjoy. I believe their basic climb education classes are designed to teach absolute newbies a few basics, so they can get started without hurting themselves or anyone else. Sure some climbers and instructors may be subpar technically, but that isn't restricted to club-trained climbers. Look at how often goofy anchors, foolish techniques and stupid mistakes have been reported on cc.com. It just seems to me that you are being needlessly judgemental. I'm confident that there are some members of the Mounties, Mazamas, BeoAlps, Cragrats, or any other group that can climb at a level that even you'd find admirable.

Necro Nice try at spray, got a chip on your shoulder? Can't spray harder than that? Some Mountie group barf on your rope? Or were you abused by Eric's sheep? I never apologized for these dorks, I just said lighten up. While I doubt that this group had any more than passing involvement in compacting the soil and abusing the vegetation at the site in the photo, you point is well taken. FROM HERE ON ALL CC.COM CLIMBERS, ALLIES, HANGER-ONERS, AND DINGLEBERRIES ARE REQUIRED TO AVOID APPROACH HIKES, CONGREGATING AT THE BASE OF CRAGS AND MOUNTAINS, AND ARE STRICTLY PROHIBITED FROM CAMPING OUT OF DOORS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT MIGHT EFFECT THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT BY ORDER OF NECRO THE MAGNIFICANT. BTW, I am sure that you only eat vegan meals grown by third world liberated and empowered peasants, own clothes with no synthetic or animal origin materials, and eat your own feces so you'll have no impact on the Earth. Get off your fucking high horse.

Necro/scot' Ursa isn't a Mountie, he even said so. What I don't understand is why this shit bothers you so. You are obsessed with the shorts over polypro and these gumbies, but so what? They look like dorks, they dress like dorks, but they aren't hogging your slab or were you planning a little slab practice yo'self? Lighten up man, at least they aren't sitting around stuffing potato chips and wasting oxygen absorbing those noxious fumes coming out of the couch. Maybe they don't climb at your level, but big fucking deal. Maybe one day they'll be important allies in an access issue or some other thing that is important to you. Its Friday, time to chill and have a cold one. BTW are these photos out of your personal collection?

Will we see a bunch of copycats?

Department of the Interior is run by the sweet Secretary Gail and the Republicans. Tommy Ridge and the Paranoid run the Dept. of Homeland Stupidity.

Ursa Muffy's photos have been posted before. I thought you would have put them on your bedroom wall.

Timmy This happened at another site that I frequent (no, I didn't do it there or here). The operators were able to get the IP address and ban it and also I believe that they got to the ISP also. I think the ISP booted the creep too. Nevertheless, I understand that it can be scary to be on the receiving end of this kind of abuse. The police and FBI have ways of tracking this stuff, call them. Don't put up with that kinda crap, they win if you feel threatened. CC.com and all the daily posters, gapers and lurkers you, jon and everyone else who brings us our daily dose of climbing and relief from our jobs.

Muffy Back in your pyramid.

Muffy belongs to no man or woman for that matter But Muffy does belong to Pan, a spoon and the Moon.

obezgas, catamounts, blue jays, terrapins, cyclones for me. Don't ask what an obezga is.

So Muff are you a redhead (at least in spirit?) or into ancient fragrances?

No! Joes at least has redeeming qualities. REI=Ridiculously Expensive Incapable of helping Coop. , INC. As a 30 year member, I have watched the long slow slide from a helpful coop to mediocrity to plain piss poor.

I'll bet you wouldn't have felt a thing, not likely a memory that you'd keep long. Before I rap, I inspect the BRAKE (Belay device, Rope, Anchor, Knot, Ends). Once I have checked them out, I put my weight on the rope and anchors with my chicken sling still attached, if everything is cool then I unclip the chicken sling from the anchor and go. And no I've never made a stupid mistake while climbing, just before when I made the decision to try the stupid route .

'consipracy'? who the fuck you taking speech lessons from? gw bush hisself? its 'conspiracacy' down in texas. I didn't take no speech lessons, but I was in Typing Class during Detox with George W., our bestest Prezident.

I smell a rat. This is how the energy "crisis" is California started and that lead to overpricing and speculation in the electric power markets on the west coast. Of course Enron and their bedfellows decided to help out by gouging the customers and selling high dollar long-term power contracts to the state of California. There was a frenzy which lead to government assistance to upgrade powerlines owned by private businesses. Ultimately the power crisis response and the poor economy has lead to the recall election aimed at Gray Davis. Can anyone say consipracy?

They shouldn't farm them in Maine either. They escape and hybridize with the native Atlantics. The net pens they raise them in contribute huge loads of waste to the water, interfere with other uses such as lobstering and are ugly to boot. A bunch of environmental organizations are urging folks to not eat farmed atlantics. Their flesh doesn't turn that nice orange color when they eat their Purina fish-chow, so they artificially dye them. Yumyum.

drinking gin and tonics watching the sun dip behind a colorado 14000 foot mountain. btw its hot and somewhat muggy despite the thunderstorm we had a while ago. But the buzz and the altitude are oh so gooooood.

And this surprises you? The current administration is full of very, very bright people who are focused on weakening the environmental regulations by benign neglect. They aren't outright attacking the regulations or seeking to overturn them, but rather they are choosing to not enforce laws, looking the other way, not appealing lawsuits, not defending laws from challenges, and settling suits out of court. You won't see headlines because the tactics are call for the quiet erosion of protections. Get ready for more.

Miss N, you are sooo romantic and cute, will you have my babies.

I know a chick who had a fly exit her neck after a trip to Belieze. She had this small lump on her neck and one day our crawls this fly larve, try to dry it wings and fly off... Oh don't you love parasitology

Hood if I look out window and stand up to see over a low roof. But who cares when I can just stare at the spray page all day .

This gives a new meaning to the phrase "Got Wood?"