The problem is that the ghouls looking for a train wreck have taken over cc.com. There are far too many posts from people who dont't climb, and don't know Mt. Hood. Many of them suggest the conspiricy theory, hidden evidence, some kind of cover-up. Like, was there an argument at the summit, did someone cut the rope, is the sheriff lying, are the rescuers that post on here really telling the truth? The nonsense goes on and on, and the regulars here do not appreciate it. If you want to lurk and find out info as it becomes available. If you want to learn about climbing, stay here. But if you want to post your inane uneducated drivel, please leave.